Are those condeming the Labour Party confusing Anti Zionism with Anti Semetism

Sorry.. I do not want to keep posting but POGS you cannot separate JCs support of Palestinian rights from the accusations levelled at him as an anti-Semite. The two are inextricably linked. Those who dislike him, politically, saw an Achilles Heel and have used it to their advantage and manipulated accusations.

This is not denial that there will have been racist incidents behaviour within the party. But JC is not racist. He is a rubbish leader.

It is so sad that UK was complicit in the birth of a country based purely on religious belief. History shows that this region was never exclusively Jewish. As a result of their continued land grab, zionists have unleashed misappropriated anger resentment and predjudice on the Jewish population throughout the world as well as horror at their treatment of their neighbouring countries.

It is NOT deviating Annie The post is about Zionism, Anti-Zionism and anti Semitism! How can asking about Israel's Zionist policies be deviation?

My father was born in Palestine as were his family for generations before him. Palestinian Christians, Muslims & Jews co-existed. At the time of the Nakba Palestine became fractured and the modern state of Israel formed.

I am not foolish enough to think we can go back to pre 1948 but I do believe all lands stolen illegally should be returned, with compensation. Freedom of movement from Gaza to the West Bank and into Israel needs to be re-established. The harassment of ordinary Palestinian people and the denial of their culture & history has to stop. It is a racism.

Those of us who believe strongly that Israel's current policies towards Palestine and the expansion of Israel are wrong and who support the humanitarian rights of Palestinians to go about their daily lives safely have every right to express our opinions clearly and assertively.

Because JC is someone who has been vocal in his support of Palestinians it has been easy to use accusations of anti- semitism against him when in fact he is Pro-Palestinian rights.

There will be racists and anti-semetic people within the ranks of any large political party. They need to have membership removed. I do not support racism of any sort.

I do not know how else to say it Anniebach You still just repeat your anti- Corbyn mantra and do not hear what I say nor answer any other comments!

trisher

"The treatment of the Palestinian people and the acquisition of their land, an illegal act condemned by the UN and much of the world, has meant that people have had to take action and speak out. They are not speaking out about Jewish people they are speaking out about the actions of a government which refuses to implement UN rulings and ignores international requests. A state recognised by the UN should implement their rulings."
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That is not anti_semetic!

Being pro Palestinian is not the same as being Anti Semetic is it?

I have said on threads before I believe Israel is totally at fault over the occupied territory. That does not make me Anti Semetic. If I refuse to share a debate/platform with someone ' because they are of Jewish birth' I am in my opinion rightly accused of Anti Semitism. If I call somebody a ' Zio ' , a Ku Klux Klan prefered terminology I think that is tantamount to Anti Semitism is it not? Anti Semitism is on the rise , not only in the UK but in many other countries. I am concentrating on the widely reported problems facing Labour and our universities as this is an obvious area to discuss.

The question is about Anti Semitism not whether Israel is right or wrong, nor whether or not Palestinian groups such as Hamas are right or wrong. Both have their own issues and neither can be seen as saints .

Simple question, was the wall mural anti semetic or was Corbyn lying

So pouring sewage on villages, burning their 1000 year crops, torture, keeping kids in prison, deliberately polluting water, etc, etc, etc - that is OK- but as long as the mural does not depict it. Hmmm

Yes paddyann i know, I was referring to those who keep denying the wall mural was anti semetic

A senior Israeli rabbi says Tel Aviv should execute Palestinians instead of arresting them and “leave no one alive” in order to establish safety in the occupied Palestinian territories, Palestinian media report.

“Israeli army has to stop arresting Palestinians,” Shmuel Eliyahu said in a message posted on his Facebook page on Tuesday, adding, “but, it must execute them and leave no one alive,” Palestine News Network reported.

As chief rabbi of the city of Safed, Eliyahu is known for his racist behavior and remarks about Arabs and Muslims. He had earlier urged the Israeli regime to take “revenge” against Arabs in order to restore what he called Israel’s deterrence.

He also described Palestinians as the enemy of Israel and claimed that they “must be destroyed and crushed in order to end violence.”

jura do you agree with Corbyn the wall mural was anti semetic ?

Corbynite ??? moi??? oh my- you obviously never read my posts then.

So Annie, do you believe the treatment of the Palestinians by Israel is humane, fair, right?

No Corbynite here either Annie SNP through to the bone

Maizie I have not lied or repeated lies

PECS Deviating again

Corbynites United ?

You are so predictable, Annie.

I just don't like to see lies repeated over and over again.

Annie do you have an opinion on Palestine. Instead of just repeating the same anti Corbyn slogans perhaps you could say if you believe Israel's government is rght to try to get rid of Palestinians and to allow settlements on land recognised internationally as Palestinian.

Anniebach
I certainly am not a Corbynite!

Good post Jura2

Corbynites United ?

hear hear Paddyann. What is happening in Palestine is just shameful and must be stopped. Saying that is NOT antisemitic- at all.

I was listening to day to a Jewish woman on French TV, from Jews for Peace. She explained how important a Jewish State was, post war, for her father and his generation. But she totally abhorrs how the Holocaust is now used as an 'excuse' for taking the territory of an other people, the siege the palestinians are under, their land trashed, the water willfully polluted, the land and millenial olive trees burnt- the 7000 prisoners, including many children, the torture. And how any criticism of this if automatically called anti-semitic- how it is taboo to discuss this.

Her conclusion is that the systematic attack of anyone who dares criticise what is happening to the Palestinians as antisemitic - is a clear STRATEGY.

Mandela was indeed a terrorist - but the question is, what choice did he have? Same for the Palestinians. Very fine line between soldier, freedom fighter and terrorist- for sure.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Bonehill-Paine
What can be done about these far-right horrors?

2014, not that it matters.

The quotes were from an unhinged right-winger, in social media blogs, who was imprisoned as a result. In 2016.
"The Old Bailey was told that Bonehill-Paine, 23, posted five “hateful and insulting” articles about the woman he blamed for the jailing of a far-right extremist he regarded as a comrade."
It was disgusting, and frightening for the woman, blatant antisemitism.

But he didn't say he liked it, Annie. Which is what I was responding to.

How you can assert that Corbyn tells lies when you do it yourself is beyond my understanding.

Corbyn said it was anti semetic, so he wasn’t being truthful

after posting his liking of it

He didn't say that he liked it, Annie. He was querying why it should be censored by its removal.

There is a screen shot of his comment here:

news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-slammed-by-labour-mps-for-criticising-removal-of-anti-semitic-mural-11301595

Nowhere does it say he 'liked' it.

As Joelsnan says, it did not portray only Jews. Which makes it questionable as to whether or not it was purely antisemitic. The message was anti-capitalist (though what Aleister Crowley was doing in there I can't think. He was an occultist)