Are those condeming the Labour Party confusing Anti Zionism with Anti Semetism

If the wall mural wasn’t anti semetic why did Corbyn say , after posting his liking of it

‘ I sincerely regret I did not look closely at the image I was commenting on, the contents of which are deeply concerning and anti semetic’

Anniebach
I am interested to understand why you continue to refer the the 'Freedom for Humanity' mural as proof of Corbin's anti semetism when it is confirmed that only two of the men represented in the mural are (were) actually Jews.
They are:
Walter Rothschild
JD Rockerfella
JP Morgan
Andrew Carnegie
Paul Warburg and also Aleister Crowley.
The image is intended to depict Western Capitalism.

There are many cariacatures around most depict politicians and others with exaggerated noses. Should the ones of Margaret Thatcher with an enormous beak be decryed as anti-christian?
I think that true anti semetic actions (which cannot be denied) are being harmed by those who try to use this predjudice as a political tool.

trisher read POGS. posts

We all know the holocaust was the worlds darkest hour BUT we cant allow Israel to visit the same horrors on others without action being taken against them A get out of jail card shouldn't be an option and they must be made to comply with the UN resolutions they invariably ignoore .THAT is not anti semitism...or pro palestinian just simple humanitarian ...these people in Palestine had been there for centuries before Israel existed and have been forcibly removed from homes that were theirs for generations to allow expansion that wasn't in the original plans.They MUST be stopped .

Annie if you can show evidence that any of the abuse you have quoted has been dismissed or ignored then you are right but as far as I can see any abuse is being dealt with. If the perpetrator is a member of the LP they will be dealt with, if it is a member of the public then that will be dealt with by the police. Have you any proof that these unacceptable abusive sayings have been ignored?

So that makes anti semetism in the Corbyn Momentum party acceptable? It does not

Of course I agree Anniebach and your example was well chosen.

Fennel, what quotes? Anniebach quoted and that's the first time I have read them.

I am sure there are many very peaceful Israelis who disapprove of Mr Netanyahu's stated intention to allow and foster Israeli settlements , including by American immigrants, on the West Bank on land which the Israeli military took by force from Palestinian owner occupiers.

By posting what was said to a Jew does not draw a line on what is acceptable, anti semetism is racist .

I chose those abusive words hoping women here would agree no woman should be subjected to such abuse, it seems they were acceptable.

Alexa where do those quotes come from?
Other MPs?

As far as I understand what 'antisemitism' means Anniebach has drawn the line of what is not acceptable.

"does calling a woman ‘ a Jew Whore’ and telling her she needs shagging and strangling at the same time’ mean just a defence of Palestine ? Or telling a Jew f**k off to your tribe in Israel is a defence of Palastine ?"

I cannot imagine any member of parliament or any normally respectable person using that language. It's absurd to accuse Mr Corbyn of antisemitism.

A reaction to the holocaust? A fuss about nothing i suppose,

Well it is often said oldglimmer1 that we see our own faults in others.
Annie the UN recognised Israel. It was founded by a group of people who used bombs, killed and injured others to establish it. I recognise their need to make a state for themselves but they were what is now accepted as terrorists.. Look up Irgun to find out what they did.

The Legue of Nations terrorists ?

trisher please do not patronise my views or the views of others whose opinions may not chime with yours.

There are people who equate Zionism with anti-semitism; there are those who don't.

I still believe there are others who use "anti-Zionism" as a convenient term to disguise what is, in fact, anti-Semitism.

I believe Corbyn may well be one of those people. If there is a difference between the terms, I do not believe that JC has the intellect or self-awareness to see it.

Mandela was a terrorist and the state of Israel was founded by terrorists.

A peace prize to a man who supports terrorism

oldgimmer1
You may believe what you like- some people still believe the earth is flat.
The term anti-Zionist is not the same as anti-semitic. The treatment of the Palestinian people and the acquisition of their land, an illegal act condemned by the UN and much of the world, has meant that people have had to take action and speak out. They are not speaking out about Jewish people they are speaking out about the actions of a government which refuses to implement UN rulings and ignores international requests. A state recognised by the UN should implement their rulings.
The art work in question represents named bankers -only 2 of whom are Jewish standing over the oppressed of all nations
The artist- Ockerman has said I came to paint a mural that depicted the elite banking cartel known as the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Morgans, the ruling class elite few, the wizards of Oz, they would be playing a board-game of monopoly on the backs of the working class.
So nothing to do with Palestinians
It is such a pity that you cannot acknowledge the work of someone like Corbyn who has been awarded 2 Peace prizes for his work to build peaceful solutions and avoid conflict.

PECs I hope my posts all confirm I oppose oppression and land grab. Zio is abusive on that we agree. Xionist??

oldgimmer I agree with you

The wall mural I posted a photograph of, Corbyn praised it, when this was made known he said ‘ I didn’t look closely at it’

The same when asked about attending a memorial to terrorists , who who had murdered Olympic atheletes ,
‘I don’t know if I was involved’

Haven't read all the posts.

I agree that there is a problem with anti-semitism in the LP.

I also believe JC to be anti-semitic.

I also think that there are those who use the broad term anti-Zionist as a mask for anti-semitism, and that these include Corbyn himself.

I think the artwork Annieb refers to is the one of Jews standing over "oppressed" persons (maybe meant to be Palestinians)?

Afaik JC has not denounced the message in this work ie that Jews are oppressors.

Israel has a legal right to exist under UN law. It is a small democracy surrounded by violent dictatorships.

Jews have been persecuted and murdered in their millions for thousands of years. They currently number around 7m in Israel afaik.

JC condemned the law that ratified Israel. He has been linked to Holocaust deniers. He has supported Arafat and is vehemently anti-establishment, anti-America, pro-Palestine and anti-Israel.

Whether or not that equates to anti-Semitic is between Jezza and his conscience.

Anniebach
I am sure there are only a few who would deny there is antisemetism within the country.
Judaism is a religion and not a race.
Iam64
The definition of a Zionist:
^ZionistDictionary result for Zionist
/ˈzʌɪənɪst/Submit
noun
1.
a supporter of Zionism; a person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel.^

It’s wrong to deny there is anti semetism in this country,

The term Zio is offensive.

Do you think it jis legitimate to call for an end to the Israeli government' daily harrassment of Palestinians and policy of erasing Palestinian culture and history of Palestine?
It is absolutely wrong to deny the Holocaust. Equally it is wrong to deny that Palestinians have an identity and history in the area now Israel.

So far as I understand it, the term Zionism came into common usage in the 19th century . After hundreds of years of pogroms against Jews many began to believe it was time to return to Palestine/Israel on the basis Jews would only be safe in what they believed to be their homeland.
Zionism therefore meant to be Jewish was a religion and a nationality.
I’m happy to be corrected if my historical understanding isn’t correct. I find the use of the term Zio offensive. I’ve onky heard it used as a term of abuse. I was on a guided tour of Manchester with a well respected guide. All went well until we reached the site of the Portaloo massacre, when the guide spoke positively of the Way the Manchester Guardian ensured the horrors were made known in London. He went on to say the current Guardian was influenced by “Zio’s”. He mentioned bankers, wealth etc.
There is indeed a fine line between anti semitism and opposition to the actions of the Israeli government towards Palestinians,
How anyone can call that “accidental” as one poster has is a mystery.