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David Lammy/Stacey Dooley

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Lily65 Thu 28-Feb-19 13:20:57

I agree with him . I don't like the image. I find Children in Need and Comic Relief unbearable to watch ,as it cuts between people in a bath of beans to famine in the developing world.

Jalima1108 Fri 01-Mar-19 18:13:12

In the UK very few people will know any star of any African country and therefore their ability to attract attention to the cause they are promoting would be negligable.
well, even I have heard of Charlene Thurzon, Gary Player, Elon Musk, Iman
just off the top of my head

Jalima1108 Fri 01-Mar-19 18:18:31

Anyway. Just give 'em some money. Who really cares if we actually watch or not?

We don't have to watch or even look at pictures - if we have DGC they all go into school with red noses etc and we send in money via the children.
Any school that doesn't participate would be frowned upon!

andycameron69 Fri 01-Mar-19 18:23:43

true matson. good post.

Barmeyoldbat Fri 01-Mar-19 18:38:28

Agree with your post GG on then other page. Trouble with Africa is different tribes or ethnic groups don't get on with each and they seem to be always fighting. Thus we have wars and all that goes with it. In SE Asia there are many ethnic groups and different religions but they don't fight each other, they just get on with living side side.

Lily65 Fri 01-Mar-19 18:45:17

Yeah what with the tribes fighting and the laziness, they need all the help they can get.

crystaltipps Fri 01-Mar-19 19:08:19

Plenty of conflict in SEasia barmyoldbat

Jalima1108 Fri 01-Mar-19 20:03:59

Plenty of conflict in SEasia barmyoldbat
There certainly is and it is starting up again in at least one area sad

Barmeyoldbat Fri 01-Mar-19 20:04:44

Plenty of conflict in SEAsia... tell me more as I am out there 4 months of the year.

GabriellaG54 Fri 01-Mar-19 20:15:25

suzied

The fish comment was an analogy. You may be right about bottom feeders but at the same time, do remember that scum rises to the top. I think I've deftly returned your volley and won the match.

Barmeyoldbat Fri 01-Mar-19 21:02:27

Julia interested to know where the conflict is starting up again

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Foxyloxy Fri 01-Mar-19 21:35:30

Paddyann not trying to belittle our violent and debauched history, was it not the stronger of the black men who sold the more vulnerable to the nasty white man. The long and short of it, is, is that our history carries a lot of shame with it. It would be awful for the more vulnerable, if people stopped donating, because they could only be black to be able to hand over any aid. Do you really think that the child or the child’s mother cares a xxxx what colour hand puts food in their mouth or gives them an injection to prevent a nasty disease. They don’t get to listen to David Lammy pontificating, they are too bloody hungry to care.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 01-Mar-19 21:37:32

Foxyloxy ??

Joelsnan Fri 01-Mar-19 21:57:42

Foxyloxy
Well said.

petra Fri 01-Mar-19 22:05:11

Foxyloxy
Brilliant. Telling it like it is.

Shizam Fri 01-Mar-19 22:12:52

David Lammy can be a bit, well, hmm, these days. And while I agree with him about celebs going on a charity trip to see the poor wee things and have a bit of a cry. Disagree with him focusing on Stacey Dooley. She has done some stunningly sensitive and powerful documentaries around the world. Look up BBC3 David! Often featuring vulnerable children. Her reply to him was well done.

Jalima1108 Fri 01-Mar-19 22:48:03

Is David Lammy rather one-dimensional?
Or is there more to him?

Jalima1108 Fri 01-Mar-19 22:50:57

The thing is about Comic Relief is that it trains local people to help their fellow citizens.
Until the governments of these countries provide the medical care, the help, that is needed, this is fulfilling a desperate need.
Whether that means these governments can abdicate their responsibilities is another question.

Eloethan Sat 02-Mar-19 00:07:19

Lammy has now been described by several people as a racist for expressing an opinion regarding what he and other black - and white - people believe to be the perpetuation of an unhelpful and patronising image of African people in TV money-raising campaigns like Comic Relief.

I do wonder if the tone of the debate would be different if a white person had raised this matter. There seems to be an underlying feeling in some of these posts that because Lammy is black and has the great honour of living in Britain he - and all other black people - should just be grateful and keep their mouths shut - especially in relation to issues of race.

janipat Sat 02-Mar-19 00:51:25

Eloethan that's not how I've perceived it. David Lammy has been, at the very least, very clumsy in his comments. It's much too easy to raise the race card and silence even reasonable opposition. I don't support comic relief because I will not be told which charities I HAVE to support. I don't support animal charities despite that I'd never intentionally harm an animal ( other than those that form the basis of my dinner) I do support quite a few charities in my own quiet way...... those that achieve success in the areas I'm drawn to. Clean water, remedial surgery and homelessness in the UK amongst occasional donations to others. I do think realism should enter into the equation, the celebrity big bash does raise enormous amounts of money that wouldn't be raised otherwise. Sometimes one has to sup with the devil for the greater good!

Nonnie Sat 02-Mar-19 02:09:23

I believe Sir Lenny H comes from.Dudley,which makes him as British as TD so why is he not mentioned? It seems to me to be about colour.

Surely the point is that this fund raising is successful and dies a lot of good. The professionals who organise it seem to know what they are doing

starbird Sat 02-Mar-19 03:26:28

I assume that Stacey Dooley was chosen both because of her cekebrity status following Strictly and because of her experience reporting on controversial matters in other countries. She has admitted herself to being uneducated but is fearless in meeting people and probing issues that many would prefer to see swept under the carpet. I know from experience that if you are in rural Africa local people - even adult ladies and especially children, will come up to a white woman, and touch their skin and hair out of curiosity. Children may beg be be picked up. Of course they may not be above hoping for something in return - biro pens are much sought after.
Yes corruption is rife and the future may see these countries further impoverished by being in thrall to the Chinese who have lent them the means to modernise way beyond their ability to repay, and in return for access to mineral resources, but had the original colonialists not plundered these countries in the first place, and had they educated and taught them how to rule, things might have developed differently. The locals saw the lifestyle of the white rulers and thought they could all have the same, but have been unable to elicit the necessary skill and labour from the worforce to support it. Enter the Chinese - who as often as not, bring in their own workforce as little more than slave labour.
Education is the basis of progress and there were a few examples of what can be achieved in the recent Ade Adepitan series - but alas drops in the ocean in a vast continent made up mostly of under 15s and whose potential wealth is still not being shared by all.

Anja Sat 02-Mar-19 06:46:29

This wasn’t about colour until David Lammy made it that.

GabriellaG54 Sat 02-Mar-19 06:59:41

To appropriate some words spoken by Axl Rose during one of his concerts, 'There are some things you just cain't fix'. (sic)
Race and religious hatreds are two.
There will never be equality
There will never be a classless society
There will always be animosity (simmering or obvious) between certain factions as regards race and religion.
Not everyone dares step out of the circle and state their true feelings because of the scrum mentality seen so often on social media.
I, personally, am not afraid to get shot down. I don't have the herd instinct.
I think DL was correct in his interpretation of the photo-shoot.

Anja Sat 02-Mar-19 07:08:08

D’you know GabbyG I never saw a famous white woman holding a little black child. I saw a woman holding a child.

I think DL has stirred up a lot of trouble for no good reason.