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Urmstongran Fri 01-Mar-19 09:42:15

Any fellow Leavers who would like to use this thread to post GOOD NEWS (away from Remainer doom & gloom)?

How about this for starters:

Norway’s $1 trillion (£753 billion) sovereign wealth fund – among the world’s most respected investors – has just confirmed it will boost its UK holdings. “Over time, our UK allocation will increase,” said Yngve Slyngstad, the Norwegian Fund’s CEO. “With our 30-year-plus time horizon, current political discussions don’t change our view,” he added, reaffirming his commitment to Britain even in the case of a no-deal Brexit.
This kind of clear-sighted, grown-up analysis contrasts starkly with the endless doom-mongering we get from subsidy-hungry politicos at the CBI. It’s precisely because Britain will thrive after Brexit that we attracted record foreign direct investment last year, beating the US, with only China attracting more. Even British start-ups raised almost £8  billion in venture capital during 2018 – some 70 per cent more than their French and German counterparts.
Boeing has opened its first manufacturing plant in Europe – in Sheffield. Technology-driven investment is piling in – not just to London but to Manchester and the North-East too. And, as Brexit-bashing stories about planes not flying are trumped by reality, investors from China to the Middle East are flocking to a country just judged by Forbes magazine as the “best place in the world to do business” for the second year in a row.
Yes, overseas investors are taking advantage of the weaker pound, which makes UK assets look attractive. But that’s how exchange rates work – which is why Europe’s monetary union is so crippling for many of its members.

Sorry for the long post but I’m not keen on links!

Grandma70s Fri 08-Mar-19 19:00:42

I haven’t read the whole thread, but I can only say that if this actually happens - and I still can’t believe nothing will be done to stop it - it is the biggest disaster of my lifetime apart from the Second World War.

Joelsnan Fri 08-Mar-19 18:39:39

Badenkate
And there you have a prime example of how information is manipulated joelsnan. Zero contracts have nothing to do with the EU, in fact they are banned in several EU countries
If you read my post I did not state the EU caused the zero, gig contracts. My point was in spite of being in the EU we have ended up with these contracts so employee rights are not as protected as some care to imagine. It is high time these contracts were banned in UK.

andycameron69 Fri 08-Mar-19 18:03:22

hello

out we go wto

great news

fabulosity

all great

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Badenkate Fri 08-Mar-19 17:46:13

And there you have a prime example of how information is manipulated joelsnan. Zero contracts have nothing to do with the EU, in fact they are banned in several EU countries
fullfact.org/law/zero-hours-contracts-uk-europe/

varian Fri 08-Mar-19 17:40:36

A video of a Danish grandma who is heartbroken over having to register for British nationality post-Brexit is putting the whole debate into more of a human perspective.

Tove MacDonald, who lives in Glasgow, moved to Scotland almost 60 years ago after meeting and marrying a policeman from Lewis in Copenhagen.

She grew up in occupied Denmark and she recalls how she always looked up to Britain. However, since Brexit, her feelings have been replaced by a feeling of disappointment.

www.indy100.com/article/brexit-danish-eu-citizenship-scotland-interview-stv-8808016

moggie57 Fri 08-Mar-19 17:20:47

That's exactly what it is doom mongering. Just like the year 2000 everyone panicked as the government said time would be out of sync and everything would crash. What a load of hog wash.! !! If Australia can be a country on its own so can we

varian Fri 08-Mar-19 16:43:57

Let's hope for the sake of any Irish relatives or all other folk living on the island of Ireland that this brexit nonsense can be stopped.

lemongrove Fri 08-Mar-19 16:20:12

Joelsnan my Irish relatives on both sides of the border have certainly moved on.They say things are very different now, and few want to go back in time to how things were, whatever happens after Brexit.

Joelsnan Fri 08-Mar-19 16:01:41

MaizieD
So sad that you appear to have such little regard for your kinsmen. Yes Margaret Thatcher did decimate the over powerful trades unions. However, as part of the EU, look what we have now zero hours and gig contracts of employment, employees classified as being below the poverty line, an absolute disgrace. Workers rights have already been decimated thanks to MT and because if the boom years of the 80s the unions lost their purchase. I have a feeling that there may be a resurgence if union activity. Governments require a compliant workforce to drive the economy so I cant see them stripping away workers rights.

MaizieD Fri 08-Mar-19 14:49:58

fought for by the blood and sweat of the strong workers of the UK.

OMG! The heroic British Workers trope. Not much evidence of worker heroism since Thatcher tamed the unions. Indeed, there's a large amount of public antipathy to them. Not to mention a government which is dying to get their teeth into removing workers' rights once we Brexit...

Joelsnan Fri 08-Mar-19 14:41:12

Labiak
That is true. Most EU employment Law was a direct enshrinement of UK employment law, fought for by the blood and sweat of the strong workers of the UK. Indeed much of UK employment law has become the global standard.
Most Leavers are bothered about Federalisation and the fact that UK is too compliant where some other countries within the EU see a policy they dont like and ignore it UK complies and ends up worse off Uk's fault I know.

Labaik Fri 08-Mar-19 14:15:11

A lot of EU policies that leavers complain about were initiated by this country I believe.

crystaltipps Fri 08-Mar-19 11:58:40

If we leave with no agreement we tear up an international peace treaty, which puts the U.K. in a very poor light. If we had to follow WTO rules we would have to have a hard border by their rules. The backstop was the solution put forward by May- agreed to by the EU- then rejected by the DUP and other hardliners so it was our idea in the first place - now we are trying to renegotiate our own deal with the EU , no wonder they think the British government have gone mad. Contrary what the Andys of this world think, most leave voters did not vote for a no deal Brexit, they were told by the official leave campaign we would leave with a great deal.

MaizieD Fri 08-Mar-19 11:52:30

You forget the hardcore DUP, Joelsnan. Conciliation is not their game.

Ginny42 Fri 08-Mar-19 11:46:50

In 1998 - after nearly two years of talks and 30 years of conflict - the Good Friday agreement was signed and here was are approaching Good Friday 2019 and about to throw the whole delicate agreement to the wind.

Oh, that we had someone of the ilk of Mo Mowlam now.

Cindersdad Fri 08-Mar-19 11:40:40

Heading for potential disaster. I just hope that they have a delay and a People's Vote and this time we opt to REMAIN. The referendum was fraudulent and probably subject to Russian interference. As a country we are far better off IN.

Parliament needs to do right by the country and ignore party politics. Remember since 2016 around 2 million who were eligible to vote then have dropped off their perches and about the same number of younger voters are now eligible. The future belongs to the young and they are owed a say.

If Brexit is so good why has James Dyson moved to Singapore, Nigel Farage applied for a German passport, Jacob Rees Mogg moved some of his business to Dublin and Honda planning to leave. The 350 miilion promised to the NHS was a figment of the lVote Leave's imagination. The electorate was deceived sufficiently to tip the balance.

Labaik Fri 08-Mar-19 11:31:03

So it's ok for the DUP to have control over the settlement [thanks to a huge bribe from May]?

varian Fri 08-Mar-19 11:30:48

Anyone who does not understand the problem of the Irish border would learn a lot from watching this video of Theresa May admitting there could be no open border in Ireland if Britain outside the EU.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-theresa-may-northern-ireland-customs-union-a8234766.html

Joelsnan Fri 08-Mar-19 11:24:36

It would be interesting if there were any Irish Gransnetters who could comment on whether they have moved on rather than us making suppositions.

Joelsnan Fri 08-Mar-19 11:17:57

MaizieD
Should 'apparently 40 hardcore members of the new IRA hold the strings to a settlement?
I doubt if Amerian Irish who vastly funded the IRA during the troubles would be around to crank up the funds to restart troubles.

MaizieD Fri 08-Mar-19 11:14:54

God God, Joelsnan. You still have faith in a country where the protestants still insist on having their --bloody- Orange Order marches every year? the marches which celebrate the crushing of the largely Catholic Irish population by the Protestant ascendancy?

No, the Irish haven't moved on

MaizieD Fri 08-Mar-19 11:08:48

www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/brexit-fuels-violence-and-unrest-fears-in-northern-ireland/news-story/0b762b0454ad71b1084619bdf5709621

www.cbc.ca/news/world/londonderry-brexit-irish-backstop-1.5005258

Joelsnan Fri 08-Mar-19 11:07:31

Badenkate
I have faith in the Irish.

Joelsnan Fri 08-Mar-19 11:06:27

If someone wants to cause problems, they will. We have our own issues here which could potentially be cured by rounding everyone up like they did with Italians etc in the war and interring them, but we have moved on since then and cope with the threats differently and so it should be with the Irish. We should not immediately jump to the conclusion that troubles will recommence. Yes there will still be some old timer hard liner and a few headstrong young people but most of the Irish have moved on. Just as European countries did after the 2nd WW.

Badenkate Fri 08-Mar-19 11:05:00

There is a long-standing history of problems in Ireland, Joelsnan, have you no memory of the 20th Century? As a quick reminder, try watching just the last episode of Derry Girls. A lot of people spent a lot of time on the Good Friday agreement, and it brought peace at last to a very damaged island where there was a lot of injustice felt on all sides. There are still walls dividing communities within NI towns - this peace is still very fragile. And now we're threatening to break the agreement.

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