We BREXIT this month (hopefully) ?

Well it seems many of the pro lobby were rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of a no deal Brexit, May’s deal is just the least worst option. Keep polishing.....

Well well....

A growing number of Labour rebels are said to be queasy about the possibility of a second EU referendum as Mrs May tries to woo them ahead of next week's make-or-break vote.

Labour Brexit-supporter John Mann says that the group willing to vote with the PM in the Commons has increased from a handful of MPs to approaching 35.

Mr Mann, who represents Bassetlaw in Nottinghamshire, believes that 70 of his colleagues are opposed to holding another referendum - and 'possibly half as many' may back the Tory deal with Brussels.

GOOD NEWS is out there it seems!

Onwards and upwards 29 March. ??

You can spend as much time as you like polishing a turd ( to use B Johnson's description of TMs deal) but at the end of the day .....

Morning everyone! I’m not posting until I’ve got some GOOD NEWS to share regards Brexit! I might be a while haha!

I still hope we are OUT on 29 March but with the duplicitous MP’s we have in the HoC it’s a leap of faith.

Oh well, the sun is shining, the grass still growing ?

It won't be very long before robots are picking everything.
Plymouth university is well on the way to perfecting them.

I think it's pretty disgraceful that migrant workers were ever treated as cheap labour/slaves?. Surely they should always have been paid the going rate and be treated in exactly the same way as a local agricultural worker? It is true that workers from eastern Europe do work hard long hours and in return are often exploited which is totally wrong. A lot are not coming here now as their own countries are more prosperous and they can get as good pay and conditions at home. With fewer foreign workers, employers will have to pay local workers properly within the law and treat them with respect, if they want to employ and keep them.
People did both study and visit the continent before the EU! My mother spent a year in the South of France before the war, staying with a french pen friend. I spent time in West Germany in the sixties, also France and Italy. Will we banned after brexit?!!!! I don't think so!
A trading partner? Excellent! Part of a federal state? You have to be kidding! NO, NO! NO!! So it's out for me, the sooner the better!

In the meantime, countries like China, Saudi, India and others, are insisting on 1000s of visas in exchange for trade deals. So EU immigration falls sharply- and non EU goes up fast. Now, I personally don't mind - but I am pretty SURE this is not what your average leaver had in mind!

There are many reasons EU workers are leaving and not being replaced. And yes, all have to do with Brexit.

The 'atmosphere' and attitude of people is one. The really bad working conditions and poor wages another. Now those wages are much lower, and will probably become much lower again- due to very poor Sterling rates. Many immigrants - just like the Brits working here in Switzerland were wages are much higher- are saving for their future, for the family back home, for buying a house back home later, etc- they get a much much higher wage but especially much better exchange rate if working in Germany or Switzerland, etc.

And for people in OAP homes, doctors and nurses- the wages are not only much higher, the exchange rate much better - but the conditions are massively better- with a much lower patient to staff ration.

Germany and other EU countries are now, quite fairly- trying to encourage EU workers in the UK to switch and move to work in Continental EU - totally fair- and I know what I would do if ... for sure.

There aren't enough "locals" willing to do the work, not enough locals full stop whatever the wages. Not worth EU workers coming as the £ has fallen so much plus the thinly veiled and open abuse many of them receive. I seem to remember a thread recently encouraging us to buy British grown flowers. Thats not going to happen given the problems such farmers will be facing. Maybe some OAPs should be out there picking them.

Jalima- both you and I know it’s nothing to do with Brexit.

Obviously I have no idea, Pamela as I don't know her, but as this is a thread about Brexit I thought it had some connection to it.

Jalima- both you and I know it’s nothing to do with Brexit.
It’s her interpretation.

Labaik rather a generalisation?

People from the EU no longer want to come here, because they've probably heard of some of the abuse EU workers now get from the English. I think our reputation as being one of the most tolerant nations in the world has taken a bit of a nosedive from which it will never recover. Which saddens me greatly.

Perhaps the locals will if he pays then enough and cuts his profit margin down. Money talks. I'm glad EU workers numbers are falling.

Cannot answer for Cornwall MaizieD, but in our part of the Country we have lots of European workers, still very busy and productive.

I know this as our Company supplies them.

We might still be in the EU, GG but the EU workers don't want to come here any more.

Nothing to do with Brexit and being made to feel thoroughly unwelcome and unwanted, of course.

What I'd like to know, Cornwall having voted Leave, is where are all those patriotic and jobless Cornish Brits who were deprived of work by the cheap EU labour. Why aren't they rushing to pick the daffs?

...he doesn't want to pay a good wage to the locals.

You lot are so naive!

Agricultural work has never been well paid.

There are few employers who are willing to pay more than they can get away with. (That's why unions came into existence)

Consumers want cheap because they are either not very well paid themselves or because they've been habituated to 'cheap' by the media and by companies producing cheap goods with very cheap labour (and under questionable working conditions) in countries with quite different economies and standards from ours)

Crowing about cheap Primark purchases and obsessing to an almost xenophobic degree about cheap foreign labour isn't winning friends

There is nothing to stop any workers picking the flowers at the moment, we are still in the EU until 29th March, just another bandwagon jumper, looking for the cheapest labour.

He probably wasn't in business 30 years ago. The point is not what may, or may not have happened in the past but what is happening now.

As we now have, supposedly, full employment where is the labour, willing to do a few weeks of cold and tiring outdoor work in late winter, to be found?

Though I find it a bit odd that, according to crystaltip's post, he's asking for local volunteers. What's wrong with paying them? (Of course, volunteers wouldn't be as skilled or efficient as the regular EU pickers)

I agree Joelsnan or perhaps he has got so used to paying for cheap EU workers he doesn't want to pay a good wage to the locals.

crystaltipps
I wonder what this farmer did before the influx of cheap eastern european labour, did the flowers pick themselves?

This local daffodil farmer in Cornwall is unable to recruit EU workers to pick his daffodils and has now resorted to ask locals to volunteer to pick the blooms. Sadly once the flowers bloom it is too late to pick for the supermarkets. The fields looked stunning, however yet another Brexit own goal

Labaik, thanks, great to see you here supporting our positive happy thread. x

morning tipps vatian and jura, lovely cheerful people full of happiness and a ray of sunshine..

hugs

a great time to celebrate leaving EU evil, with you here on our lovely positive happy forum.

I adore the UK and can't wait to exit.

Thank heavens the majority of voter, voted out, what a relief. I am elated.

Democracy in the UK

I might just to a cartwheel and open some bubbles.

Enjoy the day.

And fellow leavers, we have plenty to be happy about together.

xx

Why should your German friend not see her family again Pamela?
If it is because she is too old or infirm then that is nothing to do with Brexit.
If they do not come here to see her that is nothing to do with Brexit either .

We did travel to European countries and even spent prolonged visits to European countries and Europeans visited us in the UK too.