We BREXIT this month (hopefully) ?

That’s exactly how I felt at 9pm last night Lily65 but where did it get me other than sad and dejected. Nothing I say or do will make any difference to the outcome. I slept well and decided to cheer up.

Sorry if this makes me seem flippant. I don’t mean to offend in any way.

But me walking round in sack and ashes won’t move all this forward one iota.

This on Twitter just now:
Blimey. Anna Soubry says Caroline Spelman will not put her amendment ruling out a no-deal Brexit forever to a vote tonight because Tory MPs are being whipped to oppose it.

Now, it is almost certain that the House Of Commons will vote that the UK cannot leave without a deal

Apologies, I am late to this discussion and going back to old posts, but wasn't May's last deal the only deal we were going to get - "a take it or leave it" offer?

I believe the EU negotiators said there would be no more bargaining, no third chances to alter what had been agreed? Or did I hear/read incorrectly?

I saw that as take this deal - that's all you are getting. The UK parliament has rejected it, including the ERG, the most fervent Leavers.

What's left?

1) Take the deal,
2) stay in the EU and forget Brexit or
3) go for No Deal?

I believe if that set of choices was put to the electorate right no, they'd overwhelmingly choose NO DEAL

The last two years have been a real eye-opener.

How on earth can anybody be popping fizz and having a jolly old time of it?

I have tried to keep away from it all but I feel heart sore with sadness at the state of this country and those self serving baffoons ( ALL OF THEM) who " run" this country.

"Exactly - the Tory Party- ERG in particular and DUP are 100% to blame."

That's VERY blinkered Jura

Corbyn has been blowing with the wind. He wanted a customs union with the EU ann changed his Eurosceptic mind once he became leader. The Labour party are mostly for Remaining in the EU too, plus we have the Labour defectors, all Remainers, and the three Tories who resigned and joined the Independent group - all Remainers too.

That the DUP had to query the backstop arrangements is perfectly acceptable.

The fact remains, the majority of MPs want us to stay in the EU. Look at how many times Remainer MP factions, including Corbyn, have travelled to Strasbourg and Brussels for a little chat with EU negotiators.

The House of Comms has let us down. Democracy as a principle and a movement is in danger and what is more, the little people throughout the UK know it.

Shameful times.

I’ve tipped it into a huge dish. Budge up.

Good. Can I have some? Cba to go out meself.

I’ve been out for the popcorn Gonegirl !

Urmstrongran ?

Don't let it get to you. Sit back and enjoy the show.

What we certainly need is someone in charge who is willing to discuss options with differing political groups and has an open mind, which should have been the situation months ago. As a control freak myself, I have no problem in identifying another one, and Theresa May is clearly someone who finds it very difficult to accept other ideas may be workable - I remember this problem being mentioned when she was in the Home Office. And then remember 'my election'?

It’s a mess isn’t it ladies?

Gonegirl your remarks made me giggle so for that at least, on a day that feels flat as regards progress or leadership in the HoC, take a recommend ??

Ihmo to sort this mess you would need someone who can turn water into ?
Feed the 5,000 with ? and ?
whilst parting the waves ?
In other words a miracle worker!

Or chuck out Theresa and let that thin posh bloke.... Reese Mogg! ...have a shot at it.

Joking again.

Whew?

Only joking

Maybe we should have a general elections, throw the Conservatives out, and let Jeremy have a go.

And we'll have to vote in the EU elections on 24th May!

There will have to be extensions. God only knows where that can possibly get us. No one wants No Deal.

And as regards ‘no deal’ well the problem is that No Deal is what happens in 16 days by automatic operation of law. The Commons can pass all kinds of resolutions saying it doesn't want No Deal, but they have no legal force and won't stop it.

Only one of two things can stop it; an agreed deal, or a revocation or extension of Article 50. An extension can't even be done unilaterally, all 27 EU members would need to agree.

It's therefore not only possible but likely that we blunder into a No Deal, because of the unmatched incompetence of the government.

Hi everyone! I’m feeling less despondent today now I’ve had a good nights sleep so that has to be GOOD NEWS ha!
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Seriously though, it’s a mess isn’t it?

16 days.

Parliament knows that it ‘doesn’t want’ but cannot seem to coalesce around something that it ‘does want’. Like most of the country really. It’s split.

And I’ve been giving some thought to the E.U. negotiators.

The problem the EU has, is it is negotiating from a position of wanting Brexit to be a total failure. Far from being friends, the EU are the jilted lover wanting their former partner to flounder without them.

The EU's position isn't about protecting it's members, it's about discouraging those members from doing the same as us. That makes any negotiation very difficult as both sides have very different aims that can't be reconciled.

Good positive post Gabriella - I appreciate and agree with your sentiments.
So much vitriol cannot be healthy for anyone. Let’s stop, respect differing opinions whilst pulling together, be the best we can be.

true gill, good post

lemongrove. We have differing views on Brexit and what we want, but I thought you summed it up perfectly yesterday when you said:

I actually don't blame the EU, they have just been difficult to negotiate with as you would expect. I blame Parliament entirely. Those wanting the hardest Brexit and nothing else will do.......and those putting self interest and party politics first.
Some of the MPs have been sickening, stuffed full of their own importance as they bluster and puff on interviews, desperate to be on the right side for the future of their own career. Both sides have been guilty of this and it has been most unedifying.

Theresa May is neither remainer nor leaver. She's a fence sitter. I actually dislike those more that genuine leavers [who I do, sometimes, have respect for if they genuinely believe that Brexit is good for this country. There are quite a few 'fence sitters' imo.