We BREXIT this month (hopefully) ?

Next move------some Brexit Buffoon as PM !!

Earlier on here I was castigated for inserting a ‘fingers crossed’ sign for Brexit, as a Leaver.

Yet today on this thread:
message jura2 Tue 12-Mar-19 17:26:44
“andy- there will NOT be a NO Deal departure ... oh diddums”

goes completely unremarked upon by Remainers!

Inflammatory or what?

Good job I’ve not ever posted a similar remark eh?

Aaah, urmston what happened to the upbeat jingoism patriotism?
I am far from happy but now there's a slight chance that we all pause and actually think about possible/ probable consequences.
WA? Delay? 2nd referendum based on hard facts? (Now I get carried away!) General election?
Scottish independence?
Be still my beating heart!!!!!!

GG54 stellar post when you said:

“I would, in any event, try to get the best out of either situation and not march or waste my time railing about something I have no real power to decide. My vote was the only power I had and I used it.”

Take a recommend that woman! ??

No wonder Geoffrey Cox was fuming at the weekend! The EU have done a ‘David Cameron’ moment.... offer a little in the hope it’s enough.

Well it wasn’t.

The MP’s today were not voting against Brexit. They were voting against THIS deal.

The wheels on the bus go... Oh, they're not going anywhere.

GabriellaG54, I think you have confounded your own argument when you say, 'it's out of our hands'. That was precisely my point.

Anyway, it's looking as though it just might be back in our hands soon. The Brexiteers have not delivered a single thing they promised. Not one!

Isn't it interesting that the Attorney General, the highest lawyer in the land, has weighed the deal against British laws and found it wanting.

Well, I have been working all day, but from what I have been told by those that have viewed the proceedings at Westminster, it was totally demoralising.

In that, throughout the time that Theresa May was speaking to the house, the Conservative the Tory benches behind her were half empty. That event took place even though the up and coming vote was being billed as one of the most important decisions facing Britain in over seventy years.

I am also told that those that were in the chamber on all sides looked down, unsure and bereft of ideas as Mays deal slipped away yet again with nothing on the political horizon to replace it.

Now, it is almost certain that the House Of Commons will vote that the UK cannot leave without a deal, but no one has any inkling as to what that deal should consist of.

Theresa May has announced that the above ballot will be a free vote on the Tory benches, as that is the only way to keep her desperately fragmented cabinet in being.

Therefore I believe that Varion is probably correct in the prediction that Britain will still be in the European Union on March the 30th as that is what parliament will vote for in the next few days with a proposed extension of article fifty and begging the EU to allow Britain to do that.

However, where that takes this country both politically and economically is anyone's guess.

What a shambles.

GabriellaG54
*Pulling together to make something work does not mean abandoning your beliefs.
I did not say that you had no right to criticise anyone, least of all politicians and it's right for everyone to do so regardless of their politics*
but then you go onto claim we shouldn’t criticise anyone’s decisions. A bit of contradiction in terms surely? In no way have I “bayed” at anyone - criticise the leave campaign and its spurious claims yes- as you say - a democratic right, just as you have the right to support what views you like. And yes, there has been a Eurosceptic wing in the Tory party for years and that will continue no doubt and I’m sure if the results had been as narrowly the other way the UKIPpers and Farage would be continuing their nationalist rhetoric. You haven’t explained how we should “pull together to make things work” apart from not criticising anything and not going on marches.

I don't know. Nobody knows.

And then what varian?

Oh Varian I would send you a big plonker on the cheek if you are right and we are still in

You see Gabriella in the words of Farage although I can’t remember his exact words if the margin of percentage is very small it won’t be viable It was and it isn’t as the country is virtually 50/50 divided indeed some polls say it is the other way round now

A) the referendum was not binding it was an advisory exercise only
B) it was built on many lies the NHS money on the big red bus being just one

So what is democratic about all that crux?

yep, I'll go with that. Scary times though.

Was going to ask andy if he would choose marmite or marmelade on that hat - but won't ;)

I don't normally make any predictions, because our politics have been so unpredictable for the last three years, but I am now looking forward to March 30th when I believe that the UK will still be in the EU.

we now have huge power to influence what happens next - for sure Day6.

Good post Gabriella G54.

I would, in any event, try to get the best out of either situation and not march or waste my time railing about something I have no real power to decide. My vote was the only power I had and I used it.

Exactly.

crystaltipps
Pulling together to make something work does not mean abandoning your beliefs.
I did not say that you had no right to criticise anyone, least of all politicians and it's right for everyone to do so regardless of their politics.
If a vote was taken and a decision reached, it's undemocratic to bay at the people who voted to leave, whether politicians or the man on the street.
You've done nothing but be objectionable to leavers. It was will of the majority on the day of the vote and all along you sought to deride and pi$$ on the views of leavers whether parliamentarian or peasant.
If the majority who bothered to vote had voted to remain, would you be content to have scorn poured on your views and derision heaped on your head?
Would you be ok with leavers (badgering for a second bite of the cherry) citing the very reasons that you do, for wanting another vote?
If events don't turn out as I'd wish, then I certainly wouldn't write bitter sour comments as whatever the result, it's out of our hands, nor would I crow over remainers if we did exit the EU at any point.
I would, in any event, try to get the best out of either situation and not march or waste my time railing about something I have no real power to decide. My vote was the only power I had and I used it.

Gabriella, please explain to me how individuals can 'pull together to make it work'. I don't know what that means. Only Governments, financiers and big businesses can 'make it work'.

Joe Soap and family will simply to try to make the adjustments to their lives and livelihoods when the politicians have served this dog's breakfast of a deal.

Why should we pull together to make something work we believe to be an economic disaster? We have a right to criticise our politicians , especially when they are making a dogs doodoo of their policies. The extreme leavers and the incompetent ministers are to blame for this current crisis and they shouldn’t shift the blame. If you voted Tory in an election and Labour won, would you suddenly “ get behind their policies to make them work.”? Unlikely.

*crystaltipps @ 17.04 and jura2 @ 17.25

I take it that the previous two comments were left by people who have accepted theirs was the losing vote and pulled together with leavers to make it work, without sour remarks and cut n paste and links to negative press.

andy- there will NOT be a NO Deal departure ... oh diddums

Exactly - the Tory Party- ERG in particular and DUP are 100% to blame.

Do not blame remain MPs for this fudge up, it’s the extreme leavers/ torykippers who aren’t supportive of their own government and the hypocritical DUP that have got us to this stalemate, plus the incompetence of said government who have to take a major part of the criticism.

Framilode
I wrote 'ALL those complicit in trying to derail...etc'
Why (erroneously) assume that I have no idea of GC's affiliations?