LP anitsemitism / CP islamophobia

I notice once again that the focus of the debate is Labour and anti-semitism and little is being posted about Islamophobia and the Conservative party. George Osborne knows about it!
news.sky.com/story/ex-chancellor-george-osborne-tells-conservatives-to-fix-islamophobia-problem-11658555

Anniebach, Hodge gave her personal assurance to Jeremy Corbyn that the meeting she was invited to attend would not be recorded so as a "forthright" exchange of views by both parties could be given.

As i stated in my an earlier post had she carried out that covert action while in the employ of a commercial company, Hodge would have been open to charges of gross misconduct and liable to dismissal from employment.

There is no excuse for what Hodge has done in her action which i and many others find below contempt.

Margaret Hodge was assured the top of the party were not involved in any interference with complaints of anti semetism, an email was leaked from the top table asking for details of some there had been complaints about.

Who can blame her for not trusting Corbyn’s word

Grandad

"POGS, do you condone the action of Margaret Hodge in secretly recording the meeting she held with Jeremy Corbyn when she had personally agreed and assured him no record of that meeting would be made."
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Can't in all honesty say it bothers me but I do often think when something is ' leaked' or ' recorded in private ' then made public then yes I do find it beyond annoying so I will not be a hypocrite.

What has Margaret Hodge made ' public ' or used from the recording ?

Anja re Anniebach’s post........ it’s called irony!
Not everybody gets it on GN.

Annie try reading the whole post instead of the bit you want to argue about. If the mural was anti-semitic, Boris's remarks were Islamaphobic. You can't judge one thing a joke because some people think it is. If Muslims are offended they have the right to consider the remarks Islamaphobic. I don't suppose the mural resulted in any woman being abused or attacked because of the way she dressed.

So the wall mural wasn’t anti semetic ? This means Corbyn
Lied again

www.timesofisrael.com/corbyn-regrets-defending-london-mural-he-now-says-is-anti-semitic/

Anja, many thanks for your post @20:20 today(07/03/19) as I was unaware that Margret Hodge had made such a statement. However, that in my humble opinion just further demonstrates what a despicable, brainless self-serving person she is in all reality.

POGS the response to Boris Johnson's remarks shows actually that there is really no appreciation of the racism in the Conservative party. An "independent" panel cleared him- really? How many Muslim women who choose to wear either the hijab or the burka were on that panel I wonder? Who was on the panel?-there's no mention in the article. And yet we are supposed to accept their ruling because it was all a joke. Women who are being abused because of the way they dress might not get the 'joke.'
Then we can look at an accusation of anti-semitism made about a mural which the artist explained showed only 2 Jewish bankers but which was described as caricaturing Jews because the men depicted had big noses and beards, despite the fact that most older men have big noses, and the men depicted were named. The accusation of anti-semitism was maintained despite the artist's words.
So you see we have Islamaphobic comments dismissed as a joke and a work of art considered anti-semitic because some considered it so. In my opinion if we do not have a level playing field where accusations of Islamaphobic remarks are judged by the people who find the remarks offensive, just as anti-semitic art is judged by Jewish people, then we still have a society which accepts racism as the norm, and a Conservative party which fails to investigate it properly or to listen to Muslim women.

If the Labour Party got rid of Margaret Hodge and the other MP’s who are Jews there wouldn’t be anti semitism in the party

What is that supposed to mean? Makes no sense.,

Grandad I was horrified to hear Margaret Hodge declare last night on a TV interview that anti-Zionism was the same as anti-semitism.

POGS, do you condone the action of Margaret Hodge in secretly recording the meeting she held with Jeremy Corbyn when she had personally agreed and assured him no record of that meeting would be made.

I my view (and I am sure in the view of many) her action at that meeting were below contempt.

The character and policies of the Labour party have changed in many significant respects since 2014, and those changes have been overwhelmingly and democratically endorsed by the entire membership of the Labour movement. However, the party still has MPs such as Hodge who have never accepted the above democracy and pursue their own agenda no matter how low they have to sink to carry that out, as Hodge demonstrated.

In the above, the best course of action for her and those of her mind would be to leave the party in a respectable manner as others have done or to fight democratically from within for the changes they wish to see.

However, such actions as the above would not even come into the mind of Hodge and those around her. In that, all they can think of is causing maximum disruption within the party, and while carrying that out making sure the right wing press are on board in those actions.

Unfortunately, breaking her word in the recording of that meeting demonstrated for all to see just what her real motives are in the anti-Semitism debate. In that, it is the undermining of the Labour leadership is all that matters for the self-serving gain of Hodge and those in like mind.

All I would stay to her and those others such as her is "JUST GET OUT, YOU HAVE DEMONSTRATED EXACTLY WHAT YOU REALLY ARE", that being below contempt.

If the Labour Party got rid of Margaret Hodge and the other MP’s who are Jews there wouldn’t be anti semitism in the party.

In the above, many now within the Labour movement Grandad

" feel that the sooner the likes of Margeret Hodge and other MPs who would act in similar manner take leave of the party or are de-selected by their Constituency parties the better the organisation will be. That situation would be in reality benifitial in terms of ending anti-Semitism and then enable the leadership to concentrate public attention to the real problems that Britain faces."
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You sum up the point that has been raised for 3+ years so well.

Deselect those who don't fall at the feet of Corbyn in worship.

Deselect those who ' dare ' to tell the truth about antisemitism in the party.

Deselect them because ' WE CAN ' now we have gained control of the party.

The Dispatches programme on Momentum back in 2016 was a Clarion Call telling how deselection of MP's was the aim behind the Momentum/ Labour Party Corbyn Leadership. Now those voices are in ' total control ' of the Momentum / Labour Party we see and hear their aim is set in concrete as your post points out so well.

I feel the depths that some within the Labour movement will sink to in their efforts to discredit Jeremy Corbyn has been demonstrated in the recent actions of Margaret Hodge. In that, Hodge was offered and accepted a meeting with Corbyn to discuss her stated serious concerns of anti-semitism within the party. It was agreed that no recording of the meeting would be made as that would enable a full and forthright discussion to be enabled within both parties.

However, in reports that she has not refuted, Margret Hodge then recorded the meeting on her phone without the knowledge of Jeremy Corbyn, no doubt hoping he would make some unguarded comment that she could later use against him. That action in any commercial company would be judged as gross misconduct and grounds for dismissal, an action that has been supported by the Industrial courts.

Undoubtedly there has been anti-semitic comments and actions carried out within the Labour Party and its affiliated movements. However, the actions of Margret Hodge and others of similar vein would give evidence to the fact that they are more interested in discrediting and bringing to an end the leadership of Jeremy Corbyn rather than working with that elected leadership to stamp out anti-Semitism within the organisation.

In the above, many now within the Labour movement undoubtedly feel that the sooner the likes of Margeret Hodge and other MPs who would act in similar manner take leave of the party or are de-selected by their Constituency parties the better the organisation will be. That situation would be in reality benifitial in terms of ending anti-Semitism and then enable the leadership to concentrate public attention to the real problems that Britain faces.

As stated, anti-Semitism has existed and still does exist within the Labour movement. However, some are using that problem as a cover for their own self-serving ambitions, even to the extent of ignoring the demonstrated overwhelming democratic will of the membership in terms of who should be its leader(s).

I have my doubts

Anniebach Thu 07-Mar-19 10:25:33

"The Equality and Human Rights Commision could be starting a legal investigation into anti semetism in the Labour Party . "
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It will be interesting to see if this does develop into a full blown inquiry.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/07/labour-antisemitism-equalities-watchdog-opens-investigation

The Tory Party does have a problem with Islamophobia

Interesting and recent article from the New Statesman.

trisher

"POGS at least Labour councillors and MPs are condemning any evidence of anti-semitism."
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Yes they are and I am pleased you acknowledge that .

That begs the question why you keep denying it is evidence based , calling it out as some sort of Corbyn conspiracy by the right wing press?

As for :-

"What the Conservatives have done I don't know, but I suspect they are hiding their heads hoping the MSM won't take it up and ignoring it. "
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If they were hiding their heads they wouldn't have ' suspended 14 members over alleged Islamophobia" as humptydumpty reported previously would they?
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As for :-

" Much the way that Boris Johnson's remarks about women in Burkhas have been glossed over and ignored by everyone. (oh he said 'sorry' didn't he? And that seemed to be enough for everyone. No enquiry, no reprimand, no suspension. Double standards or what"
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You are mistaken!

Boris Johnson was challenged by the Tory Party and this was the outcome of an independent panel looking into whether or not he broke the Tory Party Code of Conduct.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/20/boris-johnson-cleared-over-burqa-comments

" Boris Johnson has been cleared of breaking the Conservative party’s code of conduct over his comments about veiled Muslim women."

" Friday’s Daily Telegraph reported the independent panel, chaired by Naomi Ellenbogen QC, found that while his use of language in the column could be considered “provocative”, it would be “unwise to censor excessively the language of party representatives or the use of satire to emphasise a viewpoint, particularly a viewpoint that is not subject to criticism”.

It said Tory party rules do not “override an individual’s right to freedom of expression”.

Boris Johnson made a crass remark in his article but he was actually defending the right of women to wear the burka so I think the attempts to call him of islamophobia were /are implausible .

Corbyn praised the anti sematic wall mural , his defence ?
I didn’t look closely

Why accuse Johnson but defend Corbyn?

I know there is anti semetism in the Labour Party so after over 50 membership and loyalty I have left the party, I will not make excuses or point a finger at other parties with a
‘They are racist too, either one is against racism or not, there is no middle road,

POGS at least Labour councillors and MPs are condemning any evidence of anti-semitism. And it is Labour and the left who are organising against all racism. Hence No Pasaran!
What the Conservatives have done I don't know, but I suspect they are hiding their heads hoping the MSM won't take it up and ignoring it. Much the way that Boris Johnson's remarks about women in Burkhas have been glossed over and ignored by everyone. (oh he said 'sorry' didn't he? And that seemed to be enough for everyone. No enquiry, no reprimand, no suspension. Double standards or what?)

RosieLeah Wed 06-Mar-19 12:21:00

Why has this suddenly become a problem?
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It has not ' suddenly become a problem ' .

yggdrasil

"The MSM have exaggerated the amount of anti-semitism in Labour, and have deliberately told lies about Corbyn in particular. They haven't searched for Islamophobia in the Tory party because it doesn't fit their agenda."
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You are in denial over the timing of the Jeremy for Leader/Momentum/Labour Party and the reported anecdotes of antisemitism gaining traction in the Labour Party!

For years now the Corbyn supporters have blamed the right wing press for making up facts about Corbyn

It's pathetic!

Why don't you listen to the Labour MP's and councillors instead of thinking what they say is ' hear say' , unreliable, lies, a conspiracy.

From the Baroness Royall report in 2016 which revealed Oxford Labour students engaged in antisemitism Corbyn supporters have denied antisemitism became a problem for the Jeremy for Leader/Momentum Party .

Fast forward to 2018/2019 and the problem has became even more widespread and the MP's / Councillors who have experienced harassment , bullying and antisemitic attacks by ' their own side ' for the most part are demonized , NOT by decent Labour Members or voters but by the Corbyn supporters often new and returned to the party often .

You don't have to read the right wing press for information , just listen to the debates on antisemitism and harassment in Parliament to gain some knowledge.

As for the msm and Islamophobia in the Conservative Party I am sure the left wing msm has been doing it's job and looked hard for stories.

If Islamophobia or Antisemitism is found in ANY political party it should be dealt with. The scale of the evidence within the Labour Party does have a bearing and those who don't believe it are on a hide to nowhere.

The difference is if factual evidence is there I would not / could not defend , call it lies , call it a conspiracy to protect ANY party.

I agree , speaking out against all racism is right, I do not agree with ‘ they are more racist than we are ‘ attitude