Shemima Begum

*At 15 yrs and 11 months you are ignorant and naive but 32 days later able to vote with a confident working knowledge of what and who you are voting for.
Just how do you figure that out...? Answers on 1/4 size postage stamp.*

If a child is radicalised/indoctrinated at 15 then the grooming had probably begun by 12/13.

There is now some political protest to suggest that Shamima Begum should be allowed back into the UK. I do hope that the Home Secretary sticks to his guns. She is a traitor. She left the UK to join an enemy of this country. And as far as I'm concerned, she gave up all her rights as a UK citizen then.

It is only since her baby died that there has been this upsurge of support for her. Yes, it's sad. But her son's death doesn't change the facts.

She betrayed her own country to go and help/fight for an evil, barbaric regime, who have killed 1000's of people all over the world.

I don't want her 'remorse'. I want her to face the consequences of her betrayal.

And I certainly don't want her back here!

Do you know what I find depressing over this particular case.

At odd times myself and other posters have raised the barbaric actions of ISIS , the Yazidi Christians and this thread has probably got as many posts as the rest of them put together.

Begum said she knew before she left the UK exactly what ISIS stood for and the barbarism ISIS were capable of
including BEHEADING , CRUCIFIXION.

She didn't wake up one morning and think I know ' I will go to Turkey today to join ISIS '. She was an intelligent girl who researched ISIS , planned it and carried it through and if ISIS had not been overpowered she would still be in Syria content knowing the barbarism that surrounded her, the barbarism she knew was taking place was for the good of the Caliphate.

She chose to join ISIS because she believed in the ' Caliphate' and that also means she believed that it was acceptable to ' 'KILL ALL KAFIRS ' that means you, me , our friends , our families our children and our babies. Sympathy is not a word those who joined ISIS understand, they are driven by hate.

Begum knew she was going to be an ISIS Bride and she said she requested to marry a European , which she did. Children born to ISIS women we know from an early age will be taught how to kill and they are considered as nothing more than potential ISIS fighters .

Begum knew women such as the Yazidi Christians had been raped, tortured, enslaved and probably been forced to watch their families, children and babies slaughtered , raped before they were taken to ISIS strongholds and suffered more abuse . The Yazidi women said the European wives of ISIS fighters were the worst and cruelest of the lot.

Begum has not never said she felt a shred of remorse and she is rightly in a camp for ISIS prisoners. Compared to the treatment those in ISIS afforded their captives I think they are probably thinking they are lucky their captors have treated them a hell of a lot better.

I love that quote Jalima

We need to bear in mind that stories/news are/is often ramped up to catch attention.
Ads do the same thing.
The headlines scream blue murder but read on and it's a cut finger.

I agree GG54 strange reasoning.

I saw this quoted recently Gabriella - it could have been on here!
“When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.”

Mark Twain

Does nobody remember how profoundly ignorant and naive they were at 15 ?
Does anyone remember how some on GN were recently behind the push for voting at 16.
The two do not equate.
At 15 yrs and 11 months you are ignorant and naive but 32 days later able to vote with a confident working knowledge of what and who you are voting for.
Just how do you figure that out...? Answers on 1/4 size postage stamp.

Unrepentant, Unbroken and Radicalised.

Let's just hope they all kill each other, eh ? !!

Oh god this is frightening to read in the news just now:

“One veiled woman, feared to be among thousands of unrepentant fanatics who have fled Baghouz and surrendered to US-backed Kurdish forces, chillingly warned: 'We will seek vengeance, there will be blood up to your knees.

'We have left, but there will be new conquests in the future.”

Vulnerable and susceptable kids are love bombed, isolated, manipulated, then abused/indoctrinated.

Its the same process, and the further down the line they go the harder it is to do something about it.

Preventing/indentifying kids at the vulnerable/susceptable phase would work better than reacting to the end result....

Most girls groomed by sex gangs dont go kicking and screaming, they are manipulated into "chosing" to run away from home, or move to a different town with a "boyfriend" who ends up raping, abusing and pimping them out.

Young IS brides arent dragged onto planes, that doesnt mean they arent being manipulated and controlled, and once there raped abused and pimped.

Emotional/coercive abuse often preceeds sexual/physical abuse, victims may claim to be "chosing" the gang and defend them

If what we now understand about Michael Jackson's grooming techniques is true , the children he seduced were very much volunteers and willing participants in what they only later realised was quite appalling abuse and betrayal of their childhood and ignorance.

In an earlier post I compared these girls with those girls who run off with teachers, other men in authority and family friends. In the privacy of their bedrooms they are groomed to be like lambs going to the slaughter when they flew out to Turkey.

Does nobody remember how profoundly ignorant and naive they were at 15, yet completely convinced that they were far more sophisticated and subtly in their understanding and experience than any adult gave them credit for?

"The grooming process is the same whether its sex, violence, drugs or extremism."

I think you will find the children groomed for sex are not volunteers, equating them with those who CHOOSE to travel to another country and support a group like ISIS is insulting to those girls who were raped and abused.

And I was just being helpful!
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no probs Gravy.

Lily65, apologies I misunderstood your post.

Sorry but why are you telling me that? Of course I know what it means. Sadly I may have missed out an apostrophe.

I don't understand why sympathy should be restricted or limited to any one group or rule out anyone. Do I feel for the people murdered by Daesh? of course I do, Do I feel for those who are dying in refugee camps? yes I do. But that doesn't stop me feeling for one young girl who was lured into something that left her with 3 dead babies and a country that disowned her.

And FLOTUS ‘First Lady of the United States’ ??

Lily65 POTUS stands for "President of The United States" and is a worldwide acronym.

Whilst we continue to deny any responsibility for our kids who end up in sex/violence/drug/crime/extremist gangs, we will continue to make the groomers lives easy and feed into their hands. We might as well wrap kids up in a bow for them

We wont get any sort of handle on terorism until we get a handle on how easily they can radicalise our kids, and why that might be.

Not the words of a normal grieving mother were they

Some good posts on disassociation up thread

Of course shes not a "normal mother".

Save your pity for all the hundreds of thousands brutally murdered by the barbaric terrorists SB loves so much.

The Syrian (and other) victims of our British terrorists do have my pity. It adds insult to injury that we dump our criminals on them in this way.

Its known that while happy kids who are well looked after both at home and within the wider community and society can be groomed, noone is immune, MOST groomed/radicalised children have already been failed in some way long begore the groomers get their mits on them.

The fact that so many posters can SEE her as British, when up to recently she was... might hint at why she may have not felt a sense of belonging when she did live here prior to being radicalised?