Shemima Begum

"we in the West" what? My white middle class son met his partner on line.

M0nica

I did NOT say that I thought that pubs and street corners were places where online grooming takes place.
What I did infer is that she was then a child/young woman (take your pick) who did not meet people in the way we in the West might meet.
It begs the question, 'How did she have apparently unfettered access to online sites promoting terrorist activities/life, in the country she and two others decided to run away to?'

I was just about to post the same GillT57

GG4. Had to pop back on this thread just to ask you where the girl would be able to access contraception in a camp? Assuming she was allowed to of course.

sick

Well Trisher , are you one of the many who think that the voting age should be 16...eh?
A child, when she and two others stole family jewellery to pay for flights, something she must have known to be wrong but, a few short months later, adult enough to vote in UK elections had your wishes been realised and, had she been living here.
She applied to marry a 'fighter' when she arrived. To say that she went there to alleviate suffering in hospitals tending to ISIS fighters, is simply ridiculous.
A supposed 'A' student, she was fully aware of what she, along with two other girls was doing and why.
The loss of babies is regrettable but, if one lost one then two babies due to 'malnutrition', who then would then go on to have a third?

exactly trisher- the Rochdale girls also came to mind.

notanan2 a lot of the responses on this thread reminded me of the response to the Rochdale girls that they were prostitutes, and their sex workers reply that there can be no child prostitutes. No doubt some of those posting on this thread would have found many of those girls unpalatable. They were undoubtedly abusive, drinkers and drug users and only one of them could be used in the court case because of the damage that had been done to them.and ow they would come over in court. That SB is in a similar situation and is being judged as they were shows how little understanding we still have of child abuse.

What about the SYRIANS who have lost their lives to British terrorists hmm? Its a bloody insult to wash our hands and make OUR terrorists their on going problem

Do you honestly think the world is neatly divided up into goodies and baddies?

I agree with RosieLeah and it's also an incredible insult to all those who have lost their lives fighting against terrorists. What about the British soldiers, sailors and airmen/women who have lost their lives fighting FOR their country, whilst this stupid girl has committed treason against hers? I am very sorry that she has lost 3 children, that must be terrible, but she doesn't seem very sorry about those poor men who had their heads cut off by ISIS, does she? Why should she be let back in when there are mothers still mourning their brave, dead children, some of whom were younger than she is now?

Rosie, cast your mind back to your 14th year. Did you do stupid things? Did you make unwise choices?

If you mug up on your history you will realise out beloved country invaded and trashed theirs , then invited the here to do our dirty work. So as for giving them so much......er no.

The grooming process is the same whether its sex, violence, drugs or extremism.

It feeds on society leaving children behind, making them susceptible to the promise of finally belonging.

And are British children who are groomed into sex gangs "showing where their affinity lies" too?

Lily65...this girl was born in Britain and has had all the benefits of being a British citizen, yet she chose, yes chose, to go to the Middle East to join an organisation which is the declared enemy of the West, quite apart from the terrible atrocities they have committed. I think that shows clearly where her true affinity lies. This applies to others who have been born and raised in European countries, not just ours, who commit acts of terrorism against the countries which have given them so much.

Regardless of the level of sympathy one does or does not have for Shamina, the baby was only days old and is in no way responsible for the circumstances in which he came into the world.

This tiny lad was not the only baby to lose his life in the camps that day, either.

I would hope, if anything positive at all is to come from this, that some real attention is paid to the conditions in the camps and how dangerous they are for the youngest and most vulnerable.

Funny how its 300 ,are you sure it's not 229 or 306?

soda pop, I was being ironic! Do you really think they pitch up talking Arabic with a dodgy passport?

EV, why do you persist in using this term " their own" Can you not get your head around the fact that the people you speak of are British? Yes British. They are not white anglosaxon but they are British.

Notanan2 we've presently got about 300 known terrorists living in this country-

How many of those are "home grown" brits.

And How many British terrorists are abroad?

"Terrorist" doesn't necessarily = "Foreigner"

British terrorists are Britains problem, fault & responsibility.

Notanan2 we've presently got about 300 known terrorists living in this country----they've not been sent back from whence they came have they ?
I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here in asking you what sort of a life you think they have looking over their shoulders wherever they go ? This would be the same for SB if she returned here. How do you think she'll feel ? Would she ever feel free, or fear for her life every waking day ? She'd be a traitor to her own.

BTW, SB was groomed at a mosque in Whitechapel by a women's group.

Yeh!!! Let's dump them on the poorest most war torn countries we can find. We could set up things so they could recruit a few more children and then give them all weapons (or sell some to the Saudis and they'll do it). After all we're not responsible for any of the mess out there are we?

And when the west treats the rest of the world with that sort of distain we cant act surprised when certain group decide to give us a taste of our own medicine

Quite a sweeping generalisation Lily65

When Howard was Prime Minister of Australia he laid down a rule that if Muslims continued with their Islamic Sharia laws they were to get out of Australia. He made it very clear that extremists would be shown the door.

Which makes sense seeing that the government were targeting the radicals for fear of a terrorist attack.

I have no compassion whatsoever for that woman. None.

Anyone who supports an organisation, in this case, Isis who's sole intention is to destroy everything that we in the west hold dear can go and rot in hell.

Yes, those are differences of opinion and I am free to give my opinion, which is that the are vile and horrible

Are you telling me that at 14/15 she didn't know her own mind ? you might recognise that one and, if you read my long post above you will know my answer to that question.

I found it quite touching that Gabriella thought that all the grooming happened in pubs and clubs. It doesn't it happens online and I am sure that Shamima and her two friends were looking at things together, three young girls egging each other on and planning an adventure that probably felt like a wizard wheeze from an Enid Blyton book, but turned out to be catastrophic. We already know that the girl who was killed had rapidly become disenchanted and made it clear she wanted to go home, but was trapped. I believe Shamima's reaction, may have been similar and when she couldn't cope she became mentally ill. She certainly looks and behaves like someone who is traumatised and ill.

Of course I am sure there are some conspiracy theorists who will 'prove' that she spent all that time in her house with her sick children researching mental illness and practicing how to live it.

Yeh!!! Let's dump them on the poorest most war torn countries we can find. We could set up things so they could recruit a few more children and then give them all weapons (or sell some to the Saudis and they'll do it). After all we're not responsible for any of the mess out there are we?