Shemima Begum

enlighten me Beau what exactly ARE British values ? Are they the right wing tory values where the sick the poor the elderly are targetted and literally dying because of tory ideology..if so I dont have BRITISH values either .Nor do most folk I know ,we dont make racist remarks about people or feel anything but sadness for ANY mother who has lost not one but THREE babies .

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Whilst I had changed my initial knee jerk reaction and felt that she should have been allowed to return to this country, in no way do I feel we are somehow responsible for the death of this poor baby.

AGillT57 partly agree re compassion but Im not a Christian and Christians don't have the monopoly on compassion.

She was a child when she left and has had four years of being brainwashed and indoctrinated. She's a victim, FFS. She was brainwashed and radicalised in the UK. She is a UK citizen who has suffered who knows what horrors. Bring her home. Rehabilitate her, restore her to her family and hopefully compassion and supervision will combine to give her the chance to turn her life around. We don't have to play into the bigoted hands of Daily Haters.

I heard on the news that the baby developed breathing difficulties this morning, was seen by paramedics at the camp where Shamima is, the baby died and was buried not long afterwards. I have obviously taken this at face value.

You are right GillT57 & Chewbacca. I am saddened to hear of the death of this child.
I think this girl and by default ISIS have received enough publicity now.

May the poor little baby rest in peace, and my thoughts and prayers go to his Mother.

Diane Abbott is a fool yup!

The two things should not be confused. I loathe ISIS and all it stands for, am repelled by their murderous and cruel acts. This does not stop my sadness at the death of three babies, whoever and whatever their parents were or are. Diane Abbott is a fool, the death of this innocent baby is not the fault of the British government.

You're right Jalima. SB's husband was actually axked about the Yazidi women and how they were treated. Like every other atrocity, he denied ever having taken part or witnesed any of them but he did confirm that "one of his friends had a Yazidi woman slave and she was about 40 years old". Naturally, he didn't know anything more......

Despite all of this; I am still very sorry that their child has died. He was utterly innocent and totally blameless and the death of any child is to be mourned.

The stuff people are repeating here about them being raped by umpteen men, locked in houses and subjected to any amount of horrors is only what they want you to believe. None of it is corroborated by independent witnesses
GabriellaG I do believe that is what has been perpetrated upon the Yazidi women and little girls by ISIS men, aided by their women.

We're We are/were

I understood that SB's husband wanted her to be with him in The Netherlands.

I have every sympathy for a child who has died or endured hardship in any way, however, 3 babies dying? Why? What was the reason for those deaths. Surely not lack of food as she would have been breast-feeding and surely even the worst of the worst would not see their child in need.
She went because it was an adventure, a chance to be heroic and live among danger but, had she stayed here, she would have had the chance to look after the sick and injured in the UK instead of siding with those who have murdered and continue to murder anyone who will not follow their 'God'.
Think about the multiple murders, videos sent around the world, gay men blindfolded and pushed off buildings.
She must have heard of or seen those acts.
We're were fed all sorts of stories, how the girls/women who went there were having a great time and treated well by their 'men'.
The stuff people are repeating here about them being raped by umpteen men, locked in houses and subjected to any amount of horrors is only what they want you to believe. None of it is corroborated by independent witnesses.
Could Christians truly have sympathy, forgiveness, compassion for a 15/16/17/18/19 yr old ISIS sympathiser if one of their family was killed by them?
Imagine your son, daughter or any family member killed or dreadfully maimed, their head put on display.
She has shown no remorse for the atrocities carried out in the name of that twisted offshoot of the Muslim religion, in fact, SB has justified their actions as tit for tat.
There for 4 years but now that it's crumbling, she wants her family again though she ignored their original pleas to come home.
All those who went there were aware that it was no picnic, it was plastered all over the news...daily.
My sympathy lies only with the families of those those who suffered unimaginable terrors at the hands of that regime.

Shadow home secretary Diane Abbott said on Twitter: "It is against international law to make someone stateless, and now an innocent child has died as a result of a British woman being stripped of her citizenship.

No, the baby has died (if that is true) for unknown reasons, possibly because his mother went to live in an ISIS stronghold in Syria or possibly because of other problems - we do not know why.

No of course not Gonegirl

What I mean lemongrove is you don't have to be a Christian to feel sorry for her.

There is no evidence that Begum was groomed, brainwashed, raped or anything else!
She and her friends enjoyed their new lives, she asked for a European husband.

I feel nothing but disgust for ISIS, but as a mother and grandmother I have sympathy for a mother who has given birth to three babies who have subsequently died.
I agree, GrannyGravy.
And yes, it was her choice, but without any family support either.

Gonegirl......did you miss the comments about Christians on the thread from MaryE ?

There are many, many innocent people in camps due to circumstances....Begum is not one of them.
However, nobody should be stateless.

This teenager was groomed, raped, Has she said, or is there any evidence, that she was raped.
From what she has said, she appears to to love her husband.

Apologies posted the above in wrong thread.
I was reading that very intently Grandad and getting very .

I only caught the tail end of the report as I had a phone call - does anyone have further information?
Children do survive against all the odds in refugee camps; if this is true and she had already lost two children I wonder if there was some other reason that the baby has died (if the report is true).

I feel totally indifferent to her.

Not sure what being a Christian or not has got to do with it.

EV If I wanted a lodger she'd probably be as good as any other. She would be better of with her family though.