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Shemima Begum

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GrannyGravy13 Fri 08-Mar-19 16:25:31

LBC are reporting that SB lawyers are trying to verify that her new born son has died

EllanVannin Wed 13-Mar-19 16:33:59

* Should read-----Muslim Prison Population.

EllanVannin Wed 13-Mar-19 16:30:24

Read the Gatestone Institute.org. Re. Muslim population up 200% !

Anja Wed 13-Mar-19 15:56:41

PS my first sentence above was a direct quote from EV

Anja Wed 13-Mar-19 15:55:58

I was talking about terrorists in prison,Conegirl. Of which there are over 250,000 Muslims inside prisons in England and Wales.

EV that is just not true ....the whole prison population in the UK is only about 83,000.

Anja Wed 13-Mar-19 15:53:06

EV no that’s NOT what it says! You are obviously confused by statistics. Please believe us when we say that a tiny proportion, well less that 1% of prisoners, are convicted terrorists. If you don’t ‘get’ something best not to spread misinformation.

EllanVannin Wed 13-Mar-19 15:47:16

Intelligence monitors these particular prisoners not because of any dietary requirements etc. but to make sure that they're segregated from those who display Jihadist tendencies and poison the minds of others.

Things are bad enough in prisons with the prison officers dealing with extremists because of a gang culture among the Muslim prisoners resulting in violence and drug trafficking.

Threats against staff other inmates and even prison chaplains remains a problem with extremist prisoners advocating support for IS.

muffinthemoo Wed 13-Mar-19 15:17:38

No, the figures do not anywhere suggest that 80% of Muslim prisoners are being held for terror related offences.

The reason the prison service monitors the religion of prisoners is to help it manage the availability of appropriate accommodations such as chaplaincy/faith support visits, and any required dietary provision such as halal or kosher food.

Gonegirl Wed 13-Mar-19 15:15:20

EV Specsavers?

Gonegirl Wed 13-Mar-19 14:46:24

I don't know how many Muslims are in prison. Why would anyone bother to count?

EllanVannin Wed 13-Mar-19 14:45:39

Of which 80 odd % are terrorist-related or hardcore Jihadi's.

Gonegirl Wed 13-Mar-19 14:44:29

They are saying that 84% of the terrorist prisoners (152 of them) have been convicted. The remainder 27 prisoners are still on remand.

Lily65 Wed 13-Mar-19 14:44:14

OMG, now we're talking about Muslims.

EllanVannin Wed 13-Mar-19 14:43:28

I was talking about terrorists in prison,Conegirl. Of which there are over 250,000 Muslims inside prisons in England and Wales.

Gonegirl Wed 13-Mar-19 14:42:41

The latest statistics show that 125 of the 152 prisoners, or 84%, have been convicted for terror or terrorism-related offences. The remaining 27 prisoners are on remand awaiting trial.

They are talking about the number of terrorist prisoners in the prisons. Not the whole prison population.

EllanVannin Wed 13-Mar-19 14:34:55

84% of crimes were terror-related is self-explanatory isn't it ?

Gonegirl Wed 13-Mar-19 14:34:25

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/sep/22/number-of-terrorist-prisoners-uk-jails-hits-record-high-home-office-figures

The figures refer to the terrorist prisoners, not to the overall prison population.

Lily65 Wed 13-Mar-19 14:28:00

Sorry EV, I genuinely don't understand what you are saying.

I don't think 152 prisoners means 80%.

I don't think we should be deploring each other really.

EllanVannin Wed 13-Mar-19 13:49:12

If you read back to 2016 it stated in the Guardian : " the latest statistics show that 125 of the 152 prisoners or 84% have been convicted for terror or terrorism-related offences. The remaining 27 prisoners are on remand awaiting trial ".

Can anyone elaborate on todays figures ? Deplore me all you like Anja---------I'm not keen on you either !!

Lily65 Wed 13-Mar-19 13:41:44

Oh OK, fair enough.

Jalima1108 Wed 13-Mar-19 13:35:56

I think Anja has disproved the first alleged point Lily65.

Lily65 Wed 13-Mar-19 13:31:35

How on earth do you know our prisons are 80% full of terrorists EV?

Or that we are/were at war with Iraq and Afghanistan? Surely we can't just come on here and make things up because it suits us?

Anja Wed 13-Mar-19 12:56:24

I’m open to people voicing their concerns Urmston. I used to love near Tarleton, the village in West Lancs where the 8-year old victim of the Manchester bombings lived.

My concern is that EV has posted some completely wrong information on this thread and that is unacceptable. I’m hoping she realises her mistake and that she will acknowledge this.

Urmstongran Wed 13-Mar-19 12:51:29

Sorry Anja maths was never my strong point! I didn’t realise you had meant 0.2% of the prison population.

I suppose though that my point still stands - that a few bad apples (however tiny a number) can cause untold misery by their terrorist actions to all of us. Here in Manchester we have recent evidence of those atrocities.

No wonder the public are wary of certain people and some are here on this forum voicing their concerns.

GillT57 Wed 13-Mar-19 12:45:27

The development of this thread over the past week or so has been very interesting. Initially, many people, understandably wanted SB to be left 'to rot' where she is, alongwith all the other British jihadis. We all abhor their crimes, their philosophy, and all surely are repelled and disgusted by what has been done to the Yazidi people, especially the women and children. Emotions run high as mention is made of atrocities and deaths here and in Europe. But, then, slowly, we have (mostly) realised just how difficult a moral problem this is, there can be no better place to foment hatred and further jihadi recruitment than a deprived, desperate, stinking camp with little food and facilities, a place where children are dying. So, how to repatriate individuals? Each country cannot just go in, select their own 'homegrown' terrorists, bring them home, subject them to the full force of the law and hopefully re-integrate them so they are not a threat anymore. If only it was that simple. I think what I am trying to say is that after the initial knee jerk reaction which many of us had, we are beginning to realise that it is a very difficult problem albeit one that has to be solved.

Anja Wed 13-Mar-19 12:24:45

You are presumably talking about the remaining 99.8% of the prison population Urmston? What’s that got to do with anything except that 99% of U.K. prisoners are homegrown.

Can you please explain your point more clearly?