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Shemima Begum

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GrannyGravy13 Fri 08-Mar-19 16:25:31

LBC are reporting that SB lawyers are trying to verify that her new born son has died

notanan2 Mon 11-Mar-19 13:19:24

Im concerned about the country we have dumped/stranded her on why should they, her victims, be stranded with her?

EllanVannin Mon 11-Mar-19 13:16:52

SB has until the 20th to appeal her situation.

Over 100 people were deprived of their British citizenship in 2017, which is on the increase.

If SB had been born in Bangladesh, she'd have been sent back there but because she'd been born here her status was seen as prejudicial to this country hence the stripping of her citizenship.

Nicenanny3 Mon 11-Mar-19 13:08:45

notanan why are you so concerned about this woman whether it's against international law or not I for one don't care about her or other ISIS supporters. I'm glad the Home Secretary has shown some balls for once and taken away her citizenship. You should save your concerns for someone more deserving in my opinion.

notanan2 Mon 11-Mar-19 13:02:06

It used to be 3 years residency in Australia before you could apply for citizenship and those who haven't applied get hunted down. They're constantly on the alert for illegals. It's mainly the Chinese.

What on earth is the relevance of any of this?

notanan2 Mon 11-Mar-19 13:01:06

You are all for deportations Ellan which is fine but dont you get that the act of making persons stateless TAKES AWAY the deportation option?

PamelaJ1 Mon 11-Mar-19 13:00:47

Who would not want to foster or adopt innocent little children?
annep1- I would think it would be a very difficult task. These children will come with a huge problems. Some mental, some physical.
I’m not saying that the right families cannot be found but I don’t think it would be easy.

EllanVannin Mon 11-Mar-19 13:00:39

It used to be 3 years residency in Australia before you could apply for citizenship and those who haven't applied get hunted down. They're constantly on the alert for illegals. It's mainly the Chinese.

notanan2 Mon 11-Mar-19 12:58:25

SB was NOT a dual citizen. She was JUST British
She is now stateless.
It is against international law to make someone stateless.

notanan2 Mon 11-Mar-19 12:57:17

Why shouldnt Syria do what Australia does to FOREIGN nationals involved in terrorism...

... and send her back here.

No we dont "want" her. But she is our responsibility none the less.

EllanVannin Mon 11-Mar-19 12:56:20

Two similar cases.

EllanVannin Mon 11-Mar-19 12:55:37

Mustafa Hamza isn't wanted by the Turks or British but Morocco will have him. He doesn't want to go there and continues pleading to return to the UK.

SB has dual too ? Bangladeshi/British.

notanan2 Mon 11-Mar-19 12:55:03

I wish people " like these " to remain incarcerated in places they don't like !!

Where?

Where should take the burden of this?
A BRITISH terrorist went abroad and contributed to atrocities there. You dont think that country should have the right to "kick them out" and "send them back to where they came from" ?

EllanVannin Mon 11-Mar-19 12:49:54

Mustafa Hamza is in a worse situation than SB. The main reason being that he happens to be the son of Abu Hamza the man who cheered after 9/11 happened.

You could say that Mustafa was a foolish young man to join the fighting the same as SB was, he was 19 at the time and is now 24.

SB had justified the Manchester bombing ! I had relatives there that night, so yes, I wish people " like these " to remain incarcerated in places they don't like !!

Jalima1108 Mon 11-Mar-19 12:44:16

And stripping a dual citizen of 1 nationality is also not comparable to making a person stateless.
Precisely.
If someone is granted citizenship of an adopted country where they have chosen to live one would assume that they would not then want to destroy the way of life of that country.
Until fairly recently anyone being granted Australian citizenship had to take an oath to 'defend Australia in times of war', amongst other promises.

notanan2 Mon 11-Mar-19 12:42:18

P.s. Abu Hanza's son was not made stateless when his British citizenship was stripped.

He was a dual citizen. Totally different scenario.

notanan2 Mon 11-Mar-19 12:30:20

Australia aren't as stupid a country as ours as they would send them back to the country from whence they came

So Syria should send her back to England then?

Because she CAME from England.

notanan2 Mon 11-Mar-19 12:29:26

Do you think Syria wants to be dumped with stranded foreign terrorists?

Sometimes you have to deal with your responsibilities even if its a deeply unpleasant task and not just dump your problems on others.

Still waiting to hear where Australia would deport Australian terrorists to....

EllanVannin Mon 11-Mar-19 12:29:04

Australia aren't as stupid a country as ours as they would send them back to the country from whence they came--------displaced or not.

Now answer my question.

Jalima1108 Mon 11-Mar-19 12:27:19

Australia has stripped some citizens who went to join ISIS of their Australian nationality - I presume they must have had dual nationality.

EllanVannin Mon 11-Mar-19 12:25:13

Do you want Abu Hanza's son back ? He who fought with the Jihadi's ? He too was stripped of his citizenship and he's even begged to return,. and a suspected terrorist to boot.
If SB comes back, so does he ! Is that what you want Notanan ?

notanan2 Mon 11-Mar-19 12:22:55

P.s. you still havent told me where you think Australia would deport Australian terrorists to

notanan2 Mon 11-Mar-19 12:21:41

......misses the point again....

EllanVannin Mon 11-Mar-19 12:20:37

She's her own worst enemy.

EllanVannin Mon 11-Mar-19 12:20:00

Do you hear SB screaming out for British citizenship Notanan ? No-----neither do I ! Personally making a plea to change her ways ?

notanan2 Mon 11-Mar-19 12:12:24

I don't do emotional blackmail !

Or basic comprehension...

I agree Jal but I was just addressing some posts that have seemed to compare making British citizens stateless with other scenarios which arent comparable because citizenship isnt stripped necessarily when passports are denied or confiscated, or when prisoners arent taken back to serve sentances etc. And stripping a dual citizen of 1 nationality is also not comparable to making a person stateless.