Misreading the country?

I hope that's a British Teddy Andy and not one of them German Stieff ones! (If it is it may have to be confiscated when we Brexit, or at least apply for residency)

oh my heavens so true what a scream a minute, loving the friendly loving kind posts so inviting

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fabulosity abounds

WTO here we go,, 12 days

excited Teddy here

jura if someone posts something ridiculous it's best to give a silly answer. Taking them seriously just encourages them.

Ooeyisit - where on earth do you get this nonsense from? Oh my!

Trisher, I do NOT want to be ruled by Europe- at all. I want the UK to be a strong partner in the EU- sit at the top table to make cooperative decisions and solve the many issues we face - and keep the alt right at bay- for peace and cooperation.

madness eu

great post

ooeyisit so true what you say totally in every aspect.

thank you very logical too

I cannot stand the EU, unelected nasty , run by mad Germany

Yes please I want to be ruled by Europe. Nothing could be as bad as the bunch of liars and cheats that is currently clinging on to power!
Can't imagine the French will be willing to let their young join up.

It’s a case of do you want to be ruled by Europe . There will be no sovereign states and we won’t have our own laws , there will be one European Army and the young wont have a choice on joining up , girls as well as boys . . In other words we will be ruled by one European president .

John Redwood is fabulous and so honest

mcem you post such cool unbiased gorgeous posts, I thank you

such a cozy thread here

thanks Jura, my pleasure, I adore posting here. such fun

Just wondering! Just bored!

I don't suppose either side of this debate have the monopoly on erudite argument to support their cause. I voted Remain but I don't see the point of going back on old ground. We are where we are and have to compromise to move forward, because I suppose no one will be totally satisfied with the outcome. We are so divided as a country, not necessarily along party lines for a change, but I hope we can find a way of overcoming the apparent bitterness and vitriol when this is all over. Philip Hammond incidentally has said today that there may not be a vote next week unless the DUP and more of the Tory MPs back the deal. He has also stated that it will now be physically impossible to leave 29th March. Whatever happens you can be sure that the 20% of highest wage earners will not suffer, whatever the outcome!

oh can't say I've noticed...

andy's arguments are always so well phrased and detailed.

Just a thought.
Are you aware that the majority of nasty, sneering, judgmental posts are from posters who voted to remain.
Just saying.

Just a thought.
Are you aware that the majority of illogical, poorly-expressed posts are from those who support Leave?
(not all of course)
Coincidentally the clear, well-expressed posts (mostly) come from Remainers.
That's in no way saying that the Leavers are less intelligent or more gullible than the Remainers (that would not be based on honest scientific fact) but it makes you wonder if that's representative of the electorate at large.
Just wondering!

we cant half leave, that is silly,

I actually voted to leave, ie leave totally

that is what leave means

Maizie, you will never get specifics about lies told by the remain campaign- or Laws which we had to endure because of the EU, which we did not either instigate or ratified- or that we could not have vetoed.

For very good reasons ...

Took a break to listen to Vince Cable amazing speech - a wonderful man and such an intelligent politician. Who does not lie, does not put his ambition first and has a very clear grasp of what is going on.

And where he touched on a massively important fact- the UK political system, based on First Past the Post system - ensure we have perpetual see saw politics- where common sense and cooperation are practically impossible.

We are being sold down the river by both the right and the left- and the consequences will be dire.

We managed before.

But we didn't manage before. Where did this weird idea come from? We were begging to join the EEC for years before they let us in. Once we'd lost our empire and spent all the Marshall Aid money on shoring up our 'status' in the world,instead of investing it in the UK, we were declining fast.

Also, you might not have noticed but the world has moved on a great deal since 1973. We can't go back to it.

not every decision we make having to be sanctioned by Belgium.

I despair, I really do despair

Repeating a falsehood over and over again does not make it true.

We have full sovereignty over all of our domestic law and have chosen to share sovereignty in some areas, such as trade, in which we have a say, have even initiated some policies, and which work mostly to our benefit.

I'd be so pleased to hear some specifics of how the EU (not Belgium, that's a fellow member state) has exerted control over all our decisions...

Just let us be out. We magaged before. People signed up years ago to a Common Market, not every decision we make having to be sanctioned by Belgium. Sooner they have no say the better.

Totally agree Jabberwok ??

A compromise is when neither side is completely happy. Each side gets something out of TM’s (rotten) deal. But it’s ‘good enough’. Just not for the hardliners on BOTH sides.
It’s good enough for me. I used to be just Leave on WTO terms.

I’m now happy to compromise. Are others though?

I have no idea why that posted twice, as I could not post at all!

as a post script

I would be very annoyed indeed if my MP either refused to take a seat or failed to turn up for crucial votes - which some appear to have done.

as a post script

I would be very annoyed indeed if my MP either refused to take a seat or failed to turn up for crucial votes - which some appear to have done.

^ Much as I dislike the DUP they do represent a body of people in NI and people who have in the past been responsible for violence.^
I wonder if those who represent the other side in NI took their seats, instead of refusing, would make a difference when the vote is very close.

Like those who did not vote in the referendum, they have no right to complain if they do not exercise their rights.