Good News about Brexit! ✅

a divine hard brexit wto here we come, all these silly votes are just advisory, mean nothing get it?

We must leave by law next friday, typing that makes me happy excited

party time

Fennel I think it’s just at Speaker Bercow’s discretion? I imagine he will ‘allow’ it without meaningful changes because it then ‘leads’ (as a tie-in) to voting on the extension of A50. That said, it seems Nigel Dodds from the DUP says there is nothing new and if they don’t get behind it, the ERG won’t. Word is, Mrs. May is not even going to present it.

that was to fennel

I think they're going to wrap it up in a different way. Apparently that will get round the rule.

There is going toi be about six votes. Not 'meaningful' though. Something else, which I can't remember.

suzied
But that is exactly what he is trying to do, whether the marxist analogy fits or not. The benefit concessions probably are welcome, but they do not tackle the root problem of widening social status. Plus these concessions have plunged the country into severe debt. Most people would prefer a decent job to sustain their families rather than a benefits pay out which rely in the high taxation of those not much better off and resulting in further class division.

Not sure if this is the right thread - but will someone please tell me how TM can bring her 'deal' back for another vote if the Speaker has said it's not allowed .
Acc to Parl rules.

Small superficial concessions? you mean like benefits ? Sounds like the marxist argument that benefits are a bad thing as they keep the workers from revolution. , so your argument is giving popular concessions to people is a bad thing? Our government should try it. If it was really small/ superficial - would the French be bought off that easily?

Crystaltipps
Support for Macron in France has gone up significantly in the last few weeks as support for the Gilets has gone down.
This is because he has 'hocked' his country to the hilt with all sorts of small superficial concessions in an attempt to keep the country subservient.

jura2
21C, we need to be united as much as possible to resist competition from the USA, China, Russia and others- in so many ways, and not 'just' economic. We also know that we will have to pay a massively heavy price (and not just in money) for deals from the above. We are facing issues that have to be tackled in strong cooperation- terrorism, research and innovation, the environment, and so much more - this is much better done WITH our EU partners.
With regard to competition, we should not look to compete on a like for like basis. UK is very innovative and well known for bespoke products the 'world' regard 'made in Britain' products as prestige. Also there is still competition within the EU many of our contracts go to EU countries who have lower manpower costs because they pay poorer wages and benefits to their workers. Remember the scrum over which country would get the financial business when the vote leave was announced. There are fabulous world markets out there that we have been prevented from trading with due to EU directives and tarrif restrictions"
Cooperation on terrorism, research and innovation has and always will be done on a global scale. There are more countries within the EU that actual contribute little or nothing in either terrorism, research and innovation and rely on UK and one or two others to provide this. UK is a leader in all of those fields...another reason why EU is making it difficult to leave.

Support for Macron in France has gone up significantly in the last few weeks as support for the Gilets has gone down.

I’m not defending the yellow vests- I know from French family they are all sick of them using political protest as an excuse for a bit of thuggery.

The yellow vests are protesting about their own government , just like we should be.

Of course there are- all of us remainers are fully aware of this and not in denial at all.

In the 21C, we need to be united as much as possible to resist competition from the USA, China, Russia and others- in so many ways, and not 'just' economic. We also know that we will have to pay a massively heavy price (and not just in money) for deals from the above. We are facing issues that have to be tackled in strong cooperation- terrorism, research and innovation, the environment, and so much more - this is much better done WITH our EU partners.

The problems in the EU have to be faced head on- together- and solved together. For our sake in the UK- but even if you don't believe that - and think (really not sure how- but ...) that the UK can go it alone in this global and extremely competitive world- do you think that if the EU, right on our doorstep - falls apart and implodes- and conflicts and possible wars arise from the ashes - we will be safe and sound just across the water - and unable to trade with anyone due to lack of access partly (like Raab- have you forgotten perhaps the UK is an (series) of island/s.

Gill57
The millenial bug issue certainly did happen just not with the catastrophic effect the doom mongers predicted. I remember date issues with computers at work, however the actions were not affecting life or death issues so were dealt with as and when.

The situation isn’t good - of course not. I posted it on here though to remind us that there are problems in Europe. Now and ahead.

crystaltipps
Of course it is not good news however it highlights exactly what many leavers keep getting shot down for saying that those on or near the bottom of the EU social ladder are waking up to the fact that they are being screwed and are starting to turn. Those higher up the ladder will of course condem them. How dare they put 'their' comfortable lives at risk. They will be called left wingers, social underclass, yobs etc., but never what they really are, just normal joe public getting poorer by the day and worrying about their and their grandchildrens future.

For the last time; the millennium bug problem dud not occur because it was anticipated, planned for and dealt with by experts. Bendy bananas rule, if anyone is daft enough to believe it was a spoof story written by Boris J. As you were.

People in France are sick of the yellow vests since they got violent it’s a minority who are using it as an excuse for a punch up. I’m not sure why you think this is good news for Brexit.

This isn’t good.

General Bruno Leray confirmed French Army will support 5,000 police this Saturday.
This weekend will be the 19th Yellow Vest demonstration in the capital in a row.
Last week there was widespread rioting across Paris with many shops looted.

French soldiers will be permitted to 'open fire' if lives are threatened by Yellow Vest rioters this weekend, the military governor of Paris said today.

This CBI, the voice of British industry is sacrificing Britain’s global future for the diminishing markets of the past. Even the EU forecasts 90% of global growth will come from outside the EU in the next 15 years.

Why is the CBI so intent on holding onto today’s deeply unsatisfactory EU relationship, one which results in a goods trade deficit with the EU of £75 billion a year – a disaster for British industry if great for Germany and the EU?

Greta
When do you predict the 'faltering EU' will sink?
Risk assessment.
Understanding change
History
I am no crystal ball gazer, (there are many remainers who are convinced they are), but there are many many issues within the EU that, because it is now so big and is composed of countries with different language, culture, economy etc. Eventually the bottom social strata will throw over the manopoly board that the greedy politico/industrialists are playing either by election or force just as the fledgling gilet jaune are doing. Massive change is required to quell the inequalities and injustices but when push comes to shove many EU countrys will default to what is best for them.

BlueBelle
Can anyone on the leavers side actually say what they are wanting back ?
I am not particularily one who is demanding things back, one of my reasons is the societal inequalities that are growing throughout Europe and this worries me. The fact that the stronger countries are basically tethering and 'milking' the poorer countries outsourcing their manufacturing to these countries for most of the work to be undertaken there where manpower costs are cheaper and yet they do not improve infrastructure and living stanards. These industries then import the parts back to their own countries for the final bits to be put together by unskilled operators at minimum wage rates. the goods are then labelled as Made in Germany/UK etc. and prestige prices are slapped on because of the label. The profit goes to Germany/UK. These poorer countries are effectively tied to the richer ones and have little opportunity to devlop and grow their own wealth.
Due to EU directive, all government bodies have to open their purchasing to open tendering which has led to many NHS contracts being outsourced to companys which offer poorer T&Cs for their staff and lower service levels because they are cheaper. The bins are now often collected by Private company's, recycle tips the same and this is often why its now so difficult for anyone to just go to the tip.
It would be nice to look at the world markets and be able to source what we want negotiating contracts on terms beneficial to us rather than having negotiating terms controlled by others who may be self serving.
We will have to have MPs and government who actually govern without having the default backstop of EU legislation, our current parliament has highlighted how flaccid and ineffective our parliament has become.
Those amongst us squealing about free movement are in general the middle and upper classes who enjoy their trips to their holiday homes. It would be interesting to know how many of the 'working class' have migrated to Romania for work and better pay? Free movement has very different connurtations for manual and low skilled workers than the educated multi lingual middle and upper classes.
These are just a few reasons. My decision was not based around me and any inconveniences I may sustain. I looked at the history, the social, industrial and economic factors EU wide and reached my conclusion based on this.

A lady on radio this morning when asked a similar question said well we ve don’t want to be told we can’t have bendy bananas Beggars belief if it’s this kind of mindset
Have you noticed how sarcastic most of the Leavers have got Day6

Absolutely Day6 and andyC both take a recommend ????

it will all be fine we will leave totally by law, such a relief oooh i am thrilled

UK free of evil EU