Even Baldrick had a plan!

I heard on the radio that they had already discussed the possibility that they wouldn't be able to re-present the same plan for a vote. They knew the procedure but had quietly put it to one side hoping it would go through regardless.

I love the title too Sparklefizz

Lemongrove,

Oh I see the rules of the house apply only if it suits and when it doesn't we should ignore them, that's novel.

Professor Meg Russell at the University of London wrote yesterday in a letter to The Times:
"John Bercow's ruling....demonstrates something too often overlooked in British politics: that ultimately parliament, not government, is in control. Parliament isn't simply a creature of government, it has an independent existence - in which context Bercow spoke as its representative."
In other words, he was doing his job.
Theresa May has now proved she is mad. I always suspected it but now she has demonstrated it for all to see and it was not a pretty sight.
This country has a parliamentary democracy and she does not have a majority there for her policies. That's partly why she had two huge defeats on her Withdrawal Agreement.
Instead of getting more MPs on her side to help overcome that issue what does she do? She tells them all off and blames them when it's her own incompetence and delusions that have led us to this pass. It can't be her fault - oh no - nothing to do with her!!!
She's obsessive compulsive about her agreement when all sorts of alternatives are possible but she won't consider them - as evidenced yesterday evening by those who came out of the meeting with her. She'd rather let the country face a no deal than accept that her agreement is flawed.
Even without the Speaker's ruling, it is contemptuous of the two votes already taken in parliament to keep bringing back the same old agreement. She just won't get the message so we're all going to suffer for those MPs who have been naughty!

I think John Bercow was right, you can't keep going to court to see try to get a different result, the HoC exists to scrutinise proposed legislation and they did, and found it wanting, twice. That rule may have been made years ago, but it is still correct.

Thom Brooks, Professor of Law and Government at Durham University. writes-

"As a professor of law, I am convinced John Bercow’s Brexit decision is correct

The government should not have been caught by surprise and should have had a better grasp of how to achieve its preferred Brexit beyond simply assuming it could run down the clock"

www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-vote-deal-john-bercow-theresa-may-parliament-delay-a8829296.html

Lemon. ‘A grubby ancient rabbit from his hat’ Your post shows no understanding whatsoever about his ruling and the enshrinement of the 1604 ruling in Erskine May. I expect you think the principles enshrined in the Magna Carta being g even more ancient should not underpin our legal system today?

Very true Lucky ....but I can’t see any signs of a new approach.

Apparently so - how embarrassing and depressing is that?!

TM's inflexibility and unwillingness to share decision-making on what is an issue that impacts on everyone has got us in this mess. We need an extension and a new approach.

Maryeliza Preston was saying that unless she actually convinces the EU that an extension will have a purpose they might well not extend. I know that is only speculation but from an informed source.

Is this the best that British politics has to offer?

lemongrove that is unfair. She was presenting the same old, same old, yet again to Parliament. It has already been rejected twice and would ckearly have been rejected again. Bercow, who is the most senior figure in the Commons, was doing his job and calling a halt to her abuse of Parliament and wasting time.

She has no plan. Lacking in people skills, no imagination, not a team player.

It’s hardly the fault of T May that Bercow has pulled a grubby ancient rabbit from his hat at this late stage, but with a week to go it will encourage the EU and our own negotiating side into coming up with something, a short extension is neccessary.

I’m sure they will grant us an extension - who would want the responsibility of refusing so to do so close to the 29th? As for what her letter will say, I’m not sure that will matter overmuch

Am trying to have a Brexit-free day for once, but just had to say I love the title of your thread Anja