Theresa May

Annie-11.17
If the official opposition were in government they would have the same problems , they too are divided
12.59
Pointless in saying if labour had been in power, they were not, fact.
Do you enjoy arguing with yourself?

Grandad

"Anniebach, had the "official opposition" been in power there would be no such a crisis of type which Britain is facing now. In that, there would have been no divisive Referendum held, as all problems regarding the European Union would have been debated and resolved in Parliament. And that's how it should be."
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Why did the Labour Party back the Referendum? Labour could have voted against there being a Referendum and Labour could have stood on a Manifesto in 2017 to Remain in the EU.

I have heard many Labour MP's from Keir Starmer, Barry Gardiner, John McDonnell, John Trickett et al say the ' WITHDRAWAL BILL / AGREEMENT' cannot be changed, it is what it is and that is the EU position. They too could not renegotiate it.

So if Labour were in government and the EU Referendum has not been overturned Labour would be in the same position as Theresa May regarding the EU WITHDRAWAL BILL / AGREEMENT.

Where I get confused is the EU Withdrawal Bill/Agreement is being called the worst deal ever and MP's on both sides of the House have voted against it. For the most part the reason for rejecting it has been the IRISH BACKSTOP as it is reported as keeping us in the Custom Union which in turn means we cannot trade freely and we will still have to abide the jurisdiction and trading arrangements made by Brussels without being able to unilaterally get out of it.

So why does Labour vote against the Withdrawal Bill / Agreement?

It seems to me the Withdrawal Bill / Agreement is what Labour wants in so many ways. It covers subjects such as EU citizens, Security, Employment law also I believe so why does Labour vote against it?

The ERG voting against it I understand as they want a clean break but I do not follow Labours position.

Agree Jane10

Pitting the people against MPs, buying DUP votes and cow towing to the ERG are very statesmanlike attributes

What! I think she has behaved in a very statesmanslike manner. Poor woman. She's kept calm and carried on in that shark tank Westminster and had a hellish time negociating with the EU. Every side knows what they don't want. Main problem is that there are so many 'sides'!

There is no doubt that whoever had been in power these negotiations would have been very hard. But.......

- we do not know whether, had others been in power, the referendum would have happened in the first place. I suspect not.
- we do not know that they might have been daft enough to organise a referendum with no clear parameters - advisory? turnout? margin?
- no-one else would have been as likely to be so intransigent, so unwilling to consult with others, nor so crass as to state a date for leaving without knowing how she was going to make this happen - like showing your cards in a game of poker.

It is all a pig's ear - but much of that is down to her inability to behave like a stateswoman.

Pointless in saying if labour had been in power, they were not, fact.

Ohhhh, stop talking till I've finished!

(that was in ref to Bonnibiker's lovely name) (wish I'd thought of that one)

But Cameron was PM, the MP’s in labour and Tory are divided , fact

Which reminds me, I must get out on my bike today.

Anniebach Quote [ If the official opposition were in government they would have the same problems, they too are divided]End Quote

Anniebach, had the "official opposition" been in power there would be no such a crisis of type which Britain is facing now. In that, there would have been no divisive Referendum held, as all problems regarding the European Union would have been debated and resolved in Parliament. And that's how it should be.

The Tory party are solely responsible for the Brexit situation Britain faces, and no other body.

Agree with Bonnibiker.

I feel sorry for May I think she has had to contend with a load of MPs whos only interest is whats in it for them never mind the voting public shes also had to tight 27 other eu members who want to make it difficult as can be I just dont see why they cant focus in the same direction and get the job done

Exactly trisher if DC had never been PM etc etc

The MP’s are not united, leavers, remainers, no deal, deal, People’s vote, no People’s vote. No matter who was PM it would be the same. Impossible to please all of the people all of the time.

True what AB says.

If ifs and an's were pots and pans......

If the official opposition were in government they would have the same problems , they too are divided

There’s not having full support and then there’s just caring only about the support of the ERG and the DUP. And then there’s completely rubbishing all MPs

Then the proper recourse if they couldn't do the job should be to resign. If someone takes on a job and finds they can't do it are they then entitled to blame everyone else and stick it out regardless? I seem to remember loads of calls for failing teachers to be sacked but a failing PM can stay????

I doubt any PM could have taken the country through brexit with the full support of their government .

Anyway, better do as we are told now which is fair enough. I will reiterate however that the safety of our MPs is a serious matter and to treat it as otherwise shows contempt and disdain and a short memory of murder. If thinking this means I’ve bern ‘wound up’ then that’s fine by me

merlot I gave that as a possible explanation and to describe what he is doing and winding up’ is quite frankly a comment not worthy of you.

Theresa May has certainly lost the plot- there she is bombarding us with how politicians have let us, the public, down, does she not realise she is one of them? Does she not recognise that running a government requires the ability to keep the rest of the party with you? Having failed totally to do her job she is now blaming everyone else. She should go immediately.
Gonegirl GNHQ staff the office at weekend, I suspect with junior staff, but they are there and therefore they are working. No need to feel sorry for them.