Jeremy Corbyn

Isn't Farage a 'loudmouth'. If so, will he be gone too [fingers crossed....]...

Mycatisahacker, should Nigel Farage and his personally selected cohorts form the government following the next General Election, then I believe that you or anyone else will not have to concern yourselves as to who they were going to vote in any following election, as there will not be any.

Heil Fuhrer Farage it will be.

I think I have a few old brown shirts I could dig out of the wardrobe if needs be.

To be honest this Brexit vote has laid bare the truth.

Corbyn was always a leaver because the facts are he always voted against any EU but now he’s required to be a grown up and he’s manipulated my his party he now wants a people’s vote/confirmatory vote/=

Try again because we didn’t like the first decision.

Where will this get labour? Hammered by Nigel Farrage Brexit in the traditional labour heartlands!

The London elite remainders will go centre party and get nowhere or Lib Dem and again nowhere the Tories voters will equally go Brexit.

Next GE all the loud mouths like Soubery, Lammy and cooper will be gone.

Maybe that’s good.

GabriellaG54, if you do not like any forum members post(s) there is no legislation that states to have to read them.

However, when anyone makes comments such as those you have made above, it usually means that person has no answer to the argument placed in front of them.

Some poster's overlong spiels are so totally boring that you'd think they were steeped in politics every hour of every day.
They must be draggingly boring in company.
Quote upon quote upon link...??
Thinking they know best how things should be done.
When all's said and done it makes no difference. You are not the decision makers...thank goodness.

Jura2, I Cannot think how you draw the conclusion that you do in your post @ 17:02 today (30/04/19). In that, the Labour Party National Executive (NEC) today reconfirmed the policy that was drawn up at its Delegate Conference in September 2018.

That policy is to give priority to seeking to bring about a General Election, but should that not prove possible to then seek to bring about a second Referendum.

The above is contained in today's NEC statement regarding the manifesto for the European Parliament Elections. However, one further clause has been added with that being, "if a change to the present withdraw agreement is not possible, and a General Election cannot be brought about, then a second referendum will be sought."

The adding of a change to the present withdraw agreement is clearly a reference to the ongoing talks between the Labour and Conservative parties on changes to that withdrawal agreement which could make it acceptable to the House of Commons.

So, nothing has changed, and the NEC along with Jeremy Corbyn continues to back the Rank and File members that brought about the present policy at the above conference.

However, some Tories will cling to any straw as their political ship sinks from under them.

Confirmation of the above can be found in this link.
news.sky.com/story/labour-manifesto-restates-position-on-another-referendum-11707945

Urmston - Corbyn was an admirer of Tony Benn and never wanted to join in the first place. In spite of his faults, he does seem to stick stubbornly to his principles.

But Hunt is challenging Remainers. The foreign secretary is asking which of two options poses the greatest threat to Britain: a no deal Brexit or a Jeremy Corbyn government.

Remainer Tories, who are determined to avoid no deal, are not taking long to conclude that Corbyn in No 10 is the greater of the two threats.

Hunt says that if Remainers accept a Corbyn government is a greater threat, they therefore need to think very carefully about their opposition to no deal.

Apologises - that quote was from the wrong Jeremy (it was Hunt). Not Corbyn!

The rest of my post was correct though. Corbyn has always been a Leaver. He also knows that’s the main vote in the Labour heartlands. No wonder he’s been sat on that fence for so long.

He said he favoured a “positive, outward-looking, optimistic Brexit”.

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I always did think he was a Leave voter!

So here we go - you Corbynistas all said it would not happen, that JC was playing the long game... and now we know. He has finally come off the fence, siding with the Tories- and refusing to implement Conference to have a Confirmatory vote.

I have signed the pledge, and 10s of 1000s have too - I will NOT vote for a Brexit party. Labour and Tories are totally divided - and have opened the door to the far right and fascists. I am beyond angry and disappointed, and I can assure you I am NOT the only one.

JC has been anti EU always, and there was no long game. GE ? There is NO way he would win.

jura2, in regard to your post @ 21:09 today (23/04/19), one of the significant changes that have come about under Corbyns leadership and the reformed National Executive Committee has been to restore the Annual Delegate Conference as the primary policy-making body of the Labour Party/Movement.

In the above, twelve thousand members of the Party and broader movement in the country attended, debated and voted through what now constitutes the entire National and Parliamentary Party policy over the course of that week. On Brexit, the Parliamentary Party were mandated to seek to bring about a General Election as first priority, and then if that should not prove possible to seek a second referendum on Britain leaving the European Union.

That above policy I believe has proved to be correct over the passage of time since the Delegate Conference of September last year. In that, it has never looked more likely that this Tory government will collapse, with even members of that government now seeking to bring about a second vote of no confidence in Theresa May's Premiership.

Jeremy Corbyn has been resolute in support of the Conference Policy while sadly others in the Parliamentary party have not. Those MPs obviously believe that the decisions of grassroots members who took time out of their annual holiday entitlement etc to attend that Conference should be, and can be just disregarded at their whim without any referral back to the members who made those policy decisions. Those who think in terms such as that I find totally disgusting.

Britain even now is not all about Brexit. Those grassroots members in calling for a General Election to be made first priority for the Parliamentary Party wished to see far greater support for the NHS, Education, Social Services, Equalities and much else. The General Election first policy has in those delegates eyes I feel proved to be correct, for surely that Election has never been closer in this Parliament.

Jeremy Corbyn has resolutely stood by those delegate members and their decisions to his great credit. And that's the way politics in Britain should be.

Should it be necessary, a one day recall National Delegate conference can be quickly convened to consider change to any policy made at the original conference. However, no such request has come from the elected Conference Standing Orders Committee.

It’s hilarious to see the old Marxist picking thorns out of his old arse from the fence sitting.

Is he for a second referendum/people’s vote/comfimentory regerendum. Yawn!!! Or is he not.

Loved the deleted tweet about St George’s day today! Was that old Emily calling all those flying the flag not racists of course not as if!!

Meanwhile poor old Tories equally imploding! Those sisters are tricky arnt they Jacob and Boris! Women aye!

Yes, get that. And yet, it does seem that the majority of Labour members are in favour of a confirmatory vote. So he should be asking them.

In which way would you like Labour members who are now in favour of a confirmatory vote- to 'change' and compromise? How could they do that?

Somehow its always other people who have to have open minds and be ready for change :-)

Corbyn wants out , always has

Disagree- of course decisions can be made, in the light and logic of current circumstances- but with an open mind and readiness to adjust and change course, if said circumstances change. Anything else is madness. It would be possible of course for JC to get in touch with membership and ask for their approval to do so.

Then it might be better not to 'decide' anything, just 'aspire' to whatever in order to avoid disappointment!!

Do you believe that what is decided at Conference, should stand, come what may (ooops) and totally irrespective of changes in the situation, the context, the risks, etc, etc?

Same as Brexit?

Surely, one has to adapt if the circumstances are now totally different?

I agree with Annie on this one, it may be a local election but people almost always raise national issues when canvassers knock.
Our local MP suggested when we canvassed in the last GE, that the response to the (many) who said they'd never vote Corbyn, was to be "we aren't asking you to vote JC, asking you to vote X who has represented us well for 20 plus years.

Unusually, I also agree with Grandad - we all know how the last election turned out. I hear many saying they don't trust JC but many more at the end of their tether with the assaults on public service, especially the NHS, the Police and social care, where the cracks are really showing

eazybee Quote [Fact. Corbyn is the Conservative party's greatest only asset. Fresh from the doorstep, canvassing:] End Quote

The Conservative Party thought that Jeremy Corbyn was their greatest electoral asset in 2017, and that was the reason Theresa May called the General Election in that year.

Well, we all now know how that turned out, and starting the campaign from a twenty point lead too.

No matter what one chooses to discuss on the doorstep the person who opens the door will surely want to have their say on the party one is canvassing for,

Strange- As there isn't a general election I would have imagined you would be discussing local issues on the doorstep. Like the parking problem down my street.

Fact.
Corbyn is the Conservative party's greatest only asset. Fresh from the doorstep, canvassing:

"Well, I don't think I shall vote in these elections, I don't know how I shall vote; that Tory Party/those MPs /that Parliament/ that Brexit shambles. Mind you, I'm not voting for that Jeremy Corbyn."
From voters of all persuasions: Labour, Lib Dems, Tories.

So what you are saying is that it was OK for you to have the right to select candidates but not for others to do so. Isn't that what authoritarian regimes on both the left and right do? fascists and communists in fact- only proper party members count.