Brexit-what else?

crystal I also would like to know who they are. It is one thing making such a statement but backing it up is something else. Funny that I am still waiting for Day6 to answer my question. I will assume she has not been on Gn since I asked it.

Project fear - we will get those unicorns - and with 100s of 1000s on the top Varian. Some on here know far far more than the IMF ... (not).

Brexit without a deal will trigger recession, says IMF.

The International Monetary Fund has downgraded growth for post-Brexit Britain, forecasting GDP of just 1.2 per cent this year.

The downgrade, from a forecast of 1.5 per cent in January, would make it the worst year since the recession in 2009. For 2020 growth will be 1.4 per cent, a downgrade from 1.6 per cent.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-without-a-deal-will-trigger-recession-says-imf-hqhbmgbhc

Thanks Petra

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Posted it yesterday. Yes, she is amazing 89 and going very strong.

Betty Boothroyds speech. Amazing elderly lady.

www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-47872635/people-s-vote-betty-boothroyd-says-nobody-voted-for-this-mess

Statement about what the EU leaders are expecting from May.

www.europarl.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/en/media/news/2019/april2019/epstatementbrexiitsummit.html?fbclid=IwAR2D5_7DXJ2FtMyIbCQ2fKi8hWl4xP8HO-bVG-FB_ELdiGPETxVcpJECZ2E

mostly yes reality beginning to dawn for Ferrari

I would never presume to assume that reality is dawning for all leavers.

Who are “the establishment” who won’t let you leave? Do you count old Etonians Reed Mogg and Johnson who voted against May’s WA? Can’t get more Establishment than them so don’t blame remainers for everything!

Another one bites the dust:
LBC ‘s outspoken Brexiteer Nick Ferrari.

Self-confessed 'reluctant Leaver' Nick Ferrari confessed that he has given up on Brexit, admitting that he's had "enough" and wants the country to move on and address other pressing issues.

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/exasperated-reveals-hes-finally-given-up-brexit/

No, whitewave not reality beginning to dawn at all.
Just sadly us Leavers realising we are battling against the Establishment who never had any intention of letting us Leave. The HoC stuffed with Remainers. We didn’t realise it when we voted but we do now. Very sad.

GabriellaG54
Maryeliza54s post @12.40 was directed at me.
You weren't in the firing line for that one

Wasn’t ust you GG not everything is all about you?

If you don't like 'blue links' just ignore them.

But they do give very useful information to help make informed decision, about very complex subjects, as the one in hand here.

Of course it has been a massive problem during the campaign and still now, that some people prefer not to be informed, and just shout 'project fear' - which is tragically all turning to be fact.

And we do not expect to have our comments treated with insults, either.

thought you were a Kipper G?

I'm as legally allowed to post and voice my views as are you. There are all types, good, bad and everything in between in all parties and I am not a member of any of them.
I've never decried any party and I don't expect my voting choices to be the subject of derision or snide remarks either.
I will and have always distanced myself from the ugly face of certain parties, whatever colour badge they wear.

maryeliza54

Why not name me and be done with it? I don't mind.

mostly there were some particularly nasty, snidely and childish comments about blue links yesterday. They appear to emanate on the whole from posters on the right. You can draw your own conclusions from that, I couldn’t possibly comment.

Blue links are fine for some and not others. I find that there are far too many but others disagree. Both views are ok...IMO.

I don’t understand why some posters dislike “blue links”.
Is it because it’s too much of an effort to click on the link?
Is it that they don’t want to read a relevant newspaper article?
Is it that they have already made up their mind and are unwilling to read any new evidence?
Why are they even on Gransnet if they are not open to new ideas???

I agree Nonnie that links are very helpful.

Sir Simon Fraser who was a senior civil servant, rising to become the head of the Diplomatic Service; and Julian Jessop, an economist who worked at the Treasury and also at the free market think tank, the Institute of Economica Affairs were interviewed on Channel 4 News.

Like Sir Ivan Rogers, former UK ambassador to the EU, Sir Simon Fraser is in no doubt that any kind of brexit would damage the UK. Julian Jessop, one of the small minority of economists to promote brexit, is a great deal less convincing in his reasoning.

www.channel4.com/news/former-head-of-diplomatic-service-on-brexit-we-havent-had-a-viable-plan-all-the-way-through

nonnie that is a good argument for a confirmatory vote.

I cannot believe that anyone really knew all the implications of voting to leave, no one really understands it all now, even those paid to understand. Anyone who says they did is either fooling themselves or just bluffing in order, perhaps, to justify why they voted as they did. There is nothing wrong in admitting you didn't fully understand and changing your mind or as, a result of further information, sticking to your opinion.

When people post a 'fact' without a link to back it up I distrust the 'fact'.

When I ask a question of a regular poster and they never come back on the thread, or simply don't answer the question, I distrust their opinion.

I don't feel that any of the back biting and sarcasm does credit to the posters and surely it undermines their posts.

I cannot think of a better way of healing this country than to get the best agreement the civil servants can and then put it to the country. Anything else will simply cause more unnecessary upset for everyone.

Reality beginning to dawn?
www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/exasperated-reveals-hes-finally-given-up-brexit/