"You cannot betray the six million people"

Is that a threat?

it is unwise, to betray the 17.4 million leave voters that won the referendum.............

maddyone: but it’s not a reason to rerun the referendum, anymore than it would be to continue to rerun a parliamentary election just because the losing side didn’t like the result.

We can't compare a referendum with such long-lasting consequences as Brexit to a general election. Elections are held every four to five years.

As LibDem Deputy Leader Jo Swinson said when she adressed 1 million + people in London, "our children deserve better than brexit Britain"

I asked my DC's opinion as part of my considerations before voting in the referendum.

It is more for their future than mine.
However, I am able to think for myself and my DC respect that.

I seem to recall that we've had someone on this forum who voted Leave because her children asked her to

Good argument for not having referenda on complex issues presented as simple yes/no decisions. Like the woman interviewed on the pro- brexit demo saying she'd never heard of the EU before the referendum - she didn't even know we were in it. My mother in law thought it was all about the NHS, she can't understand why they haven't got the promised money.

??Well said maddyone

Greta, given that perhaps many people didn’t understand the issues when they voted, both remain and leave voters, I cannot see how this has changed. My sister still doesn’t understand the issues, she probably never will. My MiL (age 92) probably didn’t understand either, she has voted how her husband told her to vote all her life, I know this because she herself has told me this. I have no idea how she voted in the referendum, or even if she voted at all. There are probably many people like this, but it’s not a reason to rerun the referendum, anymore than it would be to continue to rerun a parliamentary election just because the losing side didn’t like the result. Incidentally I don’t think TM keep returning her deal to the HofC is democratic either. There is no reason to assume that people such as my sister or my MiL would be any more informed in a second referendum. In fact, I know they wouldn’t be, even if they are only two people out of the entire population.

maddyone: ...she voted Remain because all her four children told her to vote Remain. She didn’t have a clue as to why she’d voted remain, except that all her ‘guys’ voted remain.

The above statement probably applies to many Leave voters as well. Are we then saying that many voters "didn't have a clue as to why they voted" the way they did? And on that basis we are now willing to implement a decision that will damage us the least.

MaizieD, the French journalist later tweeted:
I hasten to say that there were not representative of today’s pro-Brexit demonstration. Scroll my other tweets, you’ll see it was mostly about people feeling betrayed and saying democracy was not respected.

I think you’re right Lemon, Remainers think they’re more intelligent than Leave voters.

Well my sister voted Remain. She only told me last week that she voted Remain because all her four children told her to vote Remain. She didn’t have a clue as to why she’d voted remain, except that all her ‘guys’ voted remain. Whilst we were together she received a text from one of her sons, who was instructing her sign the Revoke Article 50 petition. She didn’t know how to find it online so my DiL (a leave voter) found it for her, and she added her name. Because her son told her to.

I love my sister, but I cannot on that evidence really can’t conclude that remain voters are more intelligent than leave voters. Again it’s only one example, but it simply shows that people on both sides of the debate are intelligent, or not intelligent. Everyone has their own opinion. My sister’s opinion was that her children were right so she chose to obey them without a clue as to why she was doing so. (Luckily she doesn’t read Gransnet or in fact do very much online at all.)

I voted remain Maizie, but now I’d vote leave. Which group should I align myself with?

Here are some lovely Leavers for you. Nice ordinary looking people aren't they? Interviewed by a French Journalist at the Leavers' demo on Friday. Don't speak French? I'll roughly translate. This is said by the woman on the right (sadly not entirely on view in this picture)

The problem is the London Mayor. He's a Muslim. He's looking to ban the sale of bacon. We want him hung and cut into pieces

Apparently so maddyone ?......at least in their own minds!

One person amongst an entire population! For pity’s sake!

Are remain voters more intelligent than leave voters then?

Absolutely Lemon.

And perhaps those Leavers who insist on their intelligence and keen understanding could use those gifts to educate their less gifted compatriots :

Eurostar passengers stranded as trespasser with St George's flag halts trains

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/30/eurostar-trains-cancelled-as-man-spends-night-on-st-pancras-station-roof-with-st-georges-flag?

I'd like to see the evidence for Leave campaigners being the only ones reported to the police and being fined. Having just watched a video, available on the Irish Times, of the latest Leave protest outside the Houses of Parliament, during which participants spray painted a Nazi symbol on an EU flag and then held it up to cheering, I'm not surprised! Nothing remotely like this happened on the 25th March march.

At some future anniversary of this debacle TM will be interviewed and, hopefully, explain why she behaved the way she has. Certain well known Leave campaigners will simply bluster and give a version of events that none of us recognise.

Move on for pity’s sake.?

joelsnan I think this has been explained to you so many times but you are still not getting it. I see no point in keep repeating the same thing over and over again if you are not willing to listen. Such a shame when many of us are open minded and prepared to hear what others have to say and be persuaded.

Leave & co are the only ones reported to the police for action as well as being fined the maximum penalty. It really is as simple as that

Make no bones about this, if it was you or I we'd be very lucky to get out of going to prison.

We were all lied to and I don't blame anyone for being conned, they were convincing liars and in Johnson's case he had previous. Now they're proven fraudsters they should face the penalty for breaking the law.

I think that's why TM is doggedly pushing ahead because she's now saving the Tories from the further disgrace of having Ministers facing imprisonment. I see she's going to try again tomorrow.

Last week JRM, and Johnson 'changed their minds'. Why shouldn't the public have the opportunity to change theirs?

naturally

andyc was much more amusing than you, lutong ?