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"You cannot betray the six million people"

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Urmstongran Wed 27-Mar-19 23:12:48

I say pass a motion to suspend the standing orders of the circus to sort it out with a pie fight.
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Jalima1108 Wed 27-Mar-19 23:05:13

You cannot step into the same river twice...
Do I take it from that that you would disagree with holding another in/out referendum or with revoking Article 50 then MaizieD?

MaizieD Wed 27-Mar-19 22:18:52

I think most of the 17.4 millions knew what they were voting for and should a referendum occur this figure will be greater

That's impossible to know, as you say, *Joelsnan.

On the other hand, the whole 17.4 million who voted Leave no longer exist. A considerable number of voters have died since casting their votes and a considerable number of young people have come of voting age and are now registered. and you can take off the three Leave voters who I know who would now vote Remain Clinging to that 17.4 million is a failure to face reality. You cannot step into the same river twice...

As for a larger majority for Leave in another referendum; so long as it was properly and cleanly run, I think people would be happier to accept it. But the polls aren't telling us of any upsurge in Leave supporters.

POGS Wed 27-Mar-19 16:55:10

Funny how on practically every Brexit related thread Remain voters know why Leave voters voted as they did.

Funny how the EU negotiators know how the UK voter voted as they did.

The session in Brussels today was no different to the many I have watched , stuff the 17 million Leave voters.

Today in the EU Parliament I heard the usual voices who were ' telling ' the UK voter /Parliament we ' should ' Revoke Article 50, we ' should ' stay in the Customs Union and Single Market there ' should ' be a chance for Reunification of Ireland etc.

All the while the hypocrisy of the likes of Tusk and Barnier who say they do not meddle in UK politics was as clear as a bell.

Joelsnan Wed 27-Mar-19 14:56:11

cindersdad
I think most of the 17.4 millions knew what they were voting for and should a referendum occur this figure will be greater.
Of the 49 million you say didnt vote leave. How many of those for sure would have voted remain, there is no way other than a rerun would confirm this.
Yes, some leave voters have died, so have some remain voters. Should we rerun elections at leadt twice to take account of deaths and 18th birthdays?
No one is bullying through the 2016, it was a democratically achieved result, those who voted leave still confirm that this is the best decision despite all the implications in the publuc domain. Is this a democratic country or what?

Cindersdad Wed 27-Mar-19 14:44:05

The E-petition is only indicative and relatively easy to cheat but it does show a strength of feeling which needs to be considered.

The 17.4 million voted out for many different reasons. Some have changed their minds and some have passed away. They did not vote for the deal on offer. 49 million did not vote to leave.

We now understand the implications some what better and for that reason alone a second referendum is more democratic than bullying through the 2016 result.

kittylester Wed 27-Mar-19 14:19:58

I can see them making a second referendum a condition of any more 'concessions' they make such as a further extension

Smileless2012 Wed 27-Mar-19 14:16:06

But it's OK to betray the 17.4 million who voted to leave; unbelievable.

POGS Wed 27-Mar-19 12:45:59

Hmm Donald Tusks remark.

This morning the Parliament Channel was ' LIVE ' from Brussels. :-

' CONCLUSION OF THE EU COUNCIL'

I watched it as I usually do and I am glad I did as listening to the ' Horses mouth ' speak rather than pick up on points such as Tusks comment without hearing the whole session is enlightening.

I heard the MEP's, Tusk, Barnier and Verhofstadt speak and I was once ' again' so annoyed by some of the comments, bias and outright meddling in the UK Politics it reaffirmed my position that if there were another EU Referendum I would probably change my vote from Remain to Leave.

Donald Tusk was in my opinion disgraceful in his meddling, bias and I think he might have stoked the fire somewhat of the 17 million plus who voted Leave by dismissing their vote referring so overtly in favour of the I million who marched in London and by stating :-

'You cannot betray the six million people who signed a petition to revoke Article 50."

Mr Tusk you have dismissed once again the 17 million plus who voted Leave in a democratic vote in the UK.

Mr Tusk your behaviour and rhetoric once again was ill timed and showed your bias and constant belief by many in the UK the EU is doing /will do all it can to overturn the UK's EU Referendum result and the EU is politically meddling in UK politics.

If any poster has the time try if you can to watch today's Brussels session 'CONCLUSION OF THE EU COUNCIL' where the link in the OP comes from, it can be an eye opener as to the working of the EU.
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crystaltipps Wed 27-Mar-19 11:58:06

He can see what a divided country we are, led by a divided parliament, millions here won’t accept Brexit.

Gonegirl Wed 27-Mar-19 11:42:33

Donald Tusk

Sounds like he hasn't accepted Brexit.