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The Second World War and Great Britain - we were not alone

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jura2 Sun 31-Mar-19 21:20:24

It was posted by an ex British Army Officer today- to counter some of the ridiculous statements oft made recently in support of Brexit and No Deal:

' This post is for all those who complacently - even gloatingly - say things like "We stood and won WW2 alone" and "We survived rationing without help during WW2, Brexit will be a piece of cake".

WW2 started in 1939. Britain tried to save Belgium and France by fighting alongside them, but failed and was forced into an heroic retreat (Dunkirk). She also tried, but failed, to help Norway. She was booted out of Crete and Greece.

The Battle of Britain was heroic and a close run thing, with RAF fighter command bolstered by many pilots from France, Eastern Europe, the US and the Empire. North Africa was a close run thing, but although supported by South Africa and other Empire forces and having fought many heroic battles, final victory was only possible after US forces reinforced ours from the west.

Britain was evicted from all her Far East colonies, as were the Dutch and French from theirs. Only British India was saved, with huge numbers of Indian and Gurkha troops supporting ours - and US air support. The US finally beat the Japanese in 1945, with allied support, including British, Dutch, ANZAC and Chinese - finally resorting to the use of atomic bombs.

The real land war to reclaim Europe couldn't begin until the 1944, when sufficient US and Canadian forces had been built up in the UK, Allied forces - including Poles and Africans had advanced north in Italy, and the huge Russian military machine had swung onto a westward offensive. D-Day and subsequent operations involved British, American, Empire and other Allied forces (including Poles), and resistance fighters, all courageous and costly. Without Russia, the war would have dragged on for years longer, and without America, not won at all.

RAF bomber command played a huge role in subduing Nazi Germany for the bulk of the war, but was almost dwarfed by the huge USAF.

At sea, the RN valiantly fought in most maritime theatres of war, notably - and increasingly effectively - protecting huge conveys of US supplies to Britain in the Atlantic and allied supplies to Russia. It also destroyed a number of enemy capital ships, helped with various blockades and the relief of Malta.

Britain's intelligence services played a huge role, as did her codebreakers, special forces, spies and agents supporting resistance movements across Europe, again aided by foreign expertise and manpower - and the original German Enigma coding technology supplied by Polish resistance fighters and sample codes from France. Britain's civil defence, emergency services, industry and general population also contributed enormously, but were heavily dependent on food and supplies from North America, the Empire and else-where.

WW2 ended in allied victory in 1945, but, while Britain was valiant and resilient, the 'heavy lifting' fell mainly to the US and Russia. '

aggie Sun 31-Mar-19 21:17:59

and the Irish ?

lemongrove Sun 31-Mar-19 21:04:10

I hardly think GN needs a Swiss National to tell us what happened during the last war.

I think leaving the EU is seriously affecting some posters judgements.

jura2 Sun 31-Mar-19 20:59:29

We never really stood fully alone, though 1940 may have seemed that way. We owe a huge debt to many countries, some of which lost hundreds of thousand - even millions - of lives. Countries like Russia, the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Belgium, Czechoslovakia, France, Holland, Norway, Poland, India, Nepal, China and the old African colonies. Even Italy, which fought the Nazis after surrendering to the Allies.

PS - I served proudly as a British Army officer for over 20 years, and am patriotic, but, as an ardent Remainer, I am sick and tired of Leaver revisions of history and other Brexiter lies and misinformation. Britain fought bravely and had a dreadful time during WW2 - and afterwards - but others had it far worse, as official casualty figures (military and civilian) and war damage cost figures for the other participants attest (one only has to look at Soviet losses to get the idea ... en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties). Britain neither stood alone nor could she have won or survived alone.

PPS Rationing didn't fully end until the early 1950s. Have a look at what was like in May 1945 ... www.bbc.co.uk/.../ww2pe.../stories/84/a4537884.shtml

PPPS Here is the list of foreign-manned squadrons of the RAF, men who stood with the UK while the UK supposedly "stood alone". And this list does not include the nations of the British Empire itself.

EUROPEAN
300 (Polish) Squadron
301 (Polish) Squadron
302 (Polish) Squadron
303 (Polish) Squadron
304 (Polish) Squadron
305 (Polish) Squadron
306 (Polish) Squadron
307 (Polish) Squadron
308 (Polish) Squadron
309 (Polish) Squadron
310 (Czechoslovak) Squadron
311 (Czechoslovak) Squadron
312 (Czechoslovak) Squadron
313 (Czechoslovak) Squadron
315 (Polish) Squadron
316 (Polish) Squadron
317 (Polish) Squadron
318 (Polish) Squadron
320 (Netherlands) Squadron
321 (Netherlands) Squadron
322 (Dutch) Squadron
326 (Free French) Squadron
327 (Free French) Squadron
328 (Free French) Squadron
329 (Free French) Squadron
330 (Norwegian) Squadron
331 (Norwegian) Squadron
332 (Norwegian) Squadron
333 (Norwegian) Squadron
334 (Norwegian) Squadron
335 (Greek) Squadron
336 (Greek) Squadron
340 (Free French) Squadron
341 (Free French) Squadron
342 (Free French) Squadron
343 (Free French) Squadron
344 (Free French) Squadron
345 (Free French) Squadron
346 (Free French) Squadron
347 (Free French) Squadron
348 (Belgian) Squadron
349 (Belgian) Squadron
350 (Jugoslav) Squadron
351 (Jugoslav) Squadron

FROM THE AMERICAS
71 (Eagle) Squadron - USA
121 (Eagle) Squadron - USA
133 (Eagle) Squadron - USA
164 (Argentine-British) Squadron