Scottish Referendum No.2 (Scexit ...?)

theferret.scot/independent-scotland-join-the-euro/

We'd have to join the ERM first and that would mean our new Scottish currency would be pegged to the Euro for a couple of years. They can't force any country to switch to the Euro. The last three countries who joined the EU have not yet changed, though they have agreed they will try in future.

We might find the EU would facilitate things for us positively as we would have been part of a block (UK) which has had a negotiated opt out. I would expect Scottish Labour, the Lib Dems, the Greens and the SNP to be a much more cohesive and co-operative negotiating force than the Westminster Tories have been so I think the EU would cut us some slack, whichever party is in power after independence.

As I've said before, the £1 and the Euro work in Ireland, so the transition period of a few months keeping the British £1 shouldn't pose any problems and then ....off we go to the ERM to see how it all works for us!

I see no reason why an independent Scotland would or could hold onto sterling. Independence means just that. Would Scotland intend to be a net contributor to the EU?

I have met the man once (at a rally) and was not impressed. In all fairness, he has produced much, well researched, valid and checkable fact sheets and arguments that have been used by the wider Independence Movement but he is no friend or associate of the SNP.

I do know that Granny23. Did I read somewhere that he lives in Bristol? It's unfortunate that he's so widely seen as associated with SNP.
The judge was pretty stinging in his criticism of him!

The BBC did indeed say that Kezia 'won' whereas STV said that neither side won, yet neither side lost. They said that the Rev was NOT homophobic, but that Kezia had the right to express her opinion that she thought he was.

BTW Wings Over Scotland has no connection whatsoever with the SNP. In fact he is often very scathing in his criticism of them. He belongs to an entirely different 'wing' of the Independence movement.

Hooray. He's given poor Kezia a really nasty and worrying time.

Kezia Dugdale wins Wings Over Scotland defamation case

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-47963759

"Wings over Scotland" is the pseudonym of an SNP propgandist living in England.

I predicted the arrival of the "bitter and ill-informed poster" and she appeared almost on cue!
Hadn't thought of her as a double agent but the latest ignorant and hysterical outbursts are so ludicrous that they can't be real! Interesting suggestion.
Interesting too that all Scots are tarred with her brush, while only a small yob element is held responsible for boorish behaviour in Spain.
(But they won't count as they're working class and so beyond contempt.)
Not proper English people at all!

Latest Council Bi-election result, this time in Edinburgh

Leith Walk (Edinburgh) result:

SNP: 35.7% (+1.4)
GRN: 25.5% (+5.9)
LAB: 15.5% (-7.0)
CON: 10.7% (-3.7)
LDEM: 8.6% (+4.?

IND (Illingworth): 1.5% (+1.5)
UKIP: 1.2% (+1.2)
SLP: 0.8% (-0.1)
IND (Scott): 0.2% (+0.2)
FBM: 0.2% (+0.2)
LBT: 0.2% (+0.2)

Again I know this is just one bi-election, but the result mirrors the one 3 weeks ago in my County. NB 61.2% for Indy supporting parties. Also Lab & Con down, Ldem up.

And equally amusing to see people who want to get away from Westminster rule yet remain under the EUs.

What a lovely thought, but it couldn't be that simple.

Plus, if Mrs May is holding out against a confirmatory referendum for the U.K. electorate on Brexit, I can't see her allowing a Scexit referendum. Sadly.

It is quite amusing to see people who claim the EU is undemocratic objecting to the possibility of having to vote for MEPs as their elected representatives.

Nope for you - we know. But Scotland as a whole may well feel differently - perhaps?

Nope.

Interesting statement today by Guy Verhofstadt 'should Scotland vote for independence before the extension- it would not have to do anything else than just stay in the EU, and not have to re-apply.'

Wonder if it will change the way think now.

I have no idea what GG54's agenda is. I tend not to bother reading posts that look irritating.

I thought GG54's suggestion of diverting money aimed at preventing Period Poverty to universities so they could clean up the image of students must be a wind-up, so I wasn't going to dignify it with a response.

However, I'm seeing that in a new light, thank you Granny23. If it's a disguise, it's a very good one.

Just in case, though, I need to say that students in this case also include schoolgirls who were missing several days of education every month because they couldn't afford sanitary products. As I said, I'm proud of my country for that one.

The point I was making was that a Labour MSP had as much - if not more - to do with it as members of the SNP. Ditto proud of that especially when you see what's going on elsewhere.

Jane10 I wonder what you make of comments such as those from GG54? Do you think that they are a constructive contribution to the debate? Or are you, like me, beginning to think that he/she is actually an undercover agent for the Independence cause? (charged with sowing the seeds of discord by constantly insulting ALL Scots)

Aaargh on no account think that independence is the wish of other than a noisy minority! I could list all our grievances with the SNP govt who have had more than a decade to sort out education, social care, policing, etc etc but have focused on much vaunted freebies for some and daft things like gaelic sign posts among others. The main manufacturing that goes on is grievances against Westminster.

Irn bru tops the list, that and deep fried Mars bars.

I don't frequent the Costas Paddy, nor do I approve of anyone anywhere behaving in a disorderly manner but then, it's beyond my control.
I was specifically noting that Scotland is to offer free sanitary products to students.
I think it would behove Scotland to donate that money to Unis and Colleges in order to clean up the image of students, the majority of whom indulge in binge-drinking and sex binges.
We read enough about their antics to know what goes on.
Although the same pattern of behaviour goes on in England, we don't, currently, hand out monthly freebies to the female fraternity.

I realise that you are a dyed in the wool lover of your part of the UK and both a leaver and remainer of the UK and the EU respectively and that's your choice but I doubt that you realise just how confrontational you appear in your posts. Always finding fault with and chipping away at others who have valid opinions which don't chime with yours.
I hope that you and others who are of like mind, get your wish for a fully independent Scotland.
At least that would be one hobby horse out of the running.
Fingers ? eh? ?

Oh!
I beg your pardon Granny23

It was in response to the second paragraph of Caledonail4 's comment @ 18.38.

maybe you should tell that to the young folk draped in the red and white St George's flag who disrupt life on the costas gg54 .These generalisations of the Scot are becoming very tedious .You do know that your own Winston Churchill said that after the ancient greeks no country or nation had made a bigger contribution to the modern world than the scots .I can list them for you if you like..but its a very very long list of inventions an ddiscoveries ,unsurpassed by ANY other nation on earth .

GG54 Pray tell to whom you refer? I know it cannot be me as my manners are impeccable, I don't drink and I no longer engage in sexual activity, casual or otherwise.

It might be a better idea to coach them in manners plus moderation in drinking and abstinence in casual sex.

typo - currency