What do we think of Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party?

Why do people do this? It's so simplistic and childish.

I don't like Farage. I'm not keen on Corbyn.

A con man who will bring hardship to his own supporters.

Lord Adonis has just been reported as saying Labour need to declare themselves a ‘Remain’ party. I get it. There needs to be some clear blue sea between Labour and Tory.

However, where does that leave a Labour voting Leaver? A new party is needed for them .... oh, hang on ....
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Most of them pale and stale.

However, where does that leave a Labour voting Leaver?

I have seen it suggested that a) Leave voters were in a minority in the LP (and polling suggests that it's an ever decreasing minority) and b) they were likely to vote for the Brexit Party anyway.

So it would be better for Labour to focus on retaining their majority Remain voters , rather than alienate them by trying to keep everyone happy. A ploy which is not succeeding from what I have seen on twitter where Remain voters are leaving Labour in considerable numbers.

Same with Mrs. May - trying to bring everyone along. No wonder Brexit ‘negotiated’ by her and her (majority) Cabinet and the HoC trying to thwart Leave it’s how we’ve ended up in this mess!

This is why Leavers need Nigel!

Yes, for Corbyn and May 'Leaves means Remain'.

I know many Remainers are sick of the game playing too. It really is political suicide for both parties.

But that benefits the Brexit Party. Labour Leave was a big and vociferous group. I wonder if they too will change their loyalties now Corbyn wants to remain and have a "people's vote'? Does he not remember saying (along with Keir Starmer) that Labour would honour the result of the referendum?

It is betrayal of the electorate, plain and simple. If it were a crime they'd need the best lawyers in the land (and Gina Miller's money no doubt,) to defend their duplicitous behaviour.

The Brexit Party was needed. Farage more than any other politician seems to sense the mood of the country.

Farage needs the "low level people" (his words) that want a simple answer to a very complicated question.

Tayyip Erdogans party lost the Mayoral elections in Istanbul so they are going to run them again.
The eu is outraged !!!!
Hang on a minute, we had a referendum that we were told would be legally binding. It didn't go the way the eu wanted so they used every tactic they could to force another vote.
I'm sensing double standards here ?

Varian
I wanted to know where this low level people quote came from as I hadn't heard it.
The Guardian quotes it as low grade people
From the article it seems that Nigel Farage has the same opinion of people who worked within UKIP ( that's who he was referring to) as 'some' posters on GN have of people who voted to leave: a low opinion.

This thread is not about Leavers or Remainers. It's about NF.

He is a xenophobe , a liar and mixes with criminals.

Oh and please don't start on the blah blah Corbyn thing.

Nigel Farage has said he is relieved to no longer be Ukip leader because it had meant “having to deal with low-grade people every day"

?just the sort of person one makes sure to avoid in the pub.

Not that old chestnut again xenophobia lol.

Hang on a minute, we had a referendum that we were told would be legally binding

Here we go again...

No, you were not told it would be legally binding. You were told that whatever the result it would be implemented. This is not the same as legally binding. Had the result been legally binding it would have been declared null and void by now because of the illegal acts committed by some of the Leave campaigns.

Parliament voted for the referendum on the understanding that it was advisory. Not only was this point made very clear to them in the House of Commons briefing papers produced for them before the vote was taken in Parliament but they were also verbally assured of this by David Liddington when Alex Salmond proposed an amendment to the bill to require a supermajority for any action to be taken. This is all on record in Hansard and on film of the parliamentary debates on the Referendum Bill.

I have posted this over and over again in the last 3 years. I have copied and pasted the relevant text from both the Hansard record of the debate and the HOC Briefing paper. If Leavers care to ignore this and persist in believing what is not true that is their affair. But no matter how many times they assert that the result was legally binding they cannot make it so.

Another vote would not be a 'betrayal' of 'democracy'. It would be correcting a grave wrong. A PM with any sense of morality and justice would have voided the result as soon as they knew it was produced by a corrupted referendum, put in place measures to ensure it didn't happen again, and rerun it.

We know that May knew it was a corrupted referendum because her Counsel said so, in court. Also on record.

Then perhaps the current mess, and the rise of a populist, antidemocratic,money grabbing, far right demagogue would have been avoided.

Anybody watching the brexit thing on bbc4?

The U.K. is beyond embarrassing.

lilly65
I think you'll find that leavers and remainders have been mentioned several times on this thread.
I would imagine that it would be difficult to have a thread on Nigel Farage and not mention the two.

Mrs May, I'm afraid, has climbed aboard a huge articulated truck and attempted to steer it along an icy highway.
Unfortunately, said truck is unwieldy and has a cargo which shifts around a lot which means her efforts at control are weak and unsustainable.
The icy road adds to that scenario and that is why the truck has careered from left to right and, despite her steering into the spin, the truck has jacknifed, leaving a trail of destruction across both carriageways and the cargo unable to be released.

So “You were told that whatever the result it would be implemented“ eh? And almost 3 years on it hasn’t been, because the will of the HoC isn’t there.

That’s what is so bluddy frustrating.

If these clowns had got their act together properly then there would have been no need of the Brexit Party.

Perhaps you should have been advising them, UG.

It's amazing how many Leavers are experts at negotiating to leave the EU. I wonder where they got their experience from.

I,m leaving this discussion for a bit before I say something really rude.

The problem is you can't implement that which is not implementable [if that's a proper word...]. Which is a result of basing the leave campaign on lies and false promises.....

The reason Brexit hasn’t happened is what was promised is undeliverable.

Oh such negativity!

I really don’t mean to wind you up but yes, I think we could have negotiated better right from the start. Taking ‘no deal’ off the table was bloody stupid. Not having the will to succeed in our talks was bloody stupid. And not having the crack Aussie guy as one of our negotiators was bloody stupid.

It’s been a catalogue of mismanagement from the start. To be honest, full of hubris ha!, yes I doI feel I could have done better!

“Bye! We’re leaving. We are going to sort out right now at the start our WTO planning. If you want to offer us anything we will be happy to consider it. Please pop over to London with your team and we will be happy to sit down and negotiate (with our excellent team).”

I’m honestly convinced we wouldn’t be in this logjam 3 years on anyway!

P.s. as a plus - it would have given business the certainty that the CBI kept banging on that they so desperately needed!!

And how would you deal with Northern Ireland in your scenario? Food imports?
It’s all so easy being an armchair negotiator..