What do we think of Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party?

If it will ‘break international law’ why did the lawyers insert it as de facto end in Article 50 then at the time it was drawn up?

I think those politicians who promote it understand it.

It only needs 1 person in every hundred of the electorate to vote differently and the result changes. That just about equals the number who have left the electorate and the number who have joined it.

The new Brexit Party is sitting at the top of a slide with UKIP at the bottom, where it has slid because of its extreme right, racist, sexist and barking policies. I am sure it won't be long before The Brexit Party starts sliding down to join it.

Farage, with his beer is about as 'ordinary' in this modern age as Colonel Blimp would be. How often do you see that style of man with his tankard around nowadays? It is a six pack in the living room with a takeaway and Netflix that typifies the average man these days - and I have yet to see him with his female equivalent - if there is one.

MEP calls Nigel Farage the 'biggest liar in Europe' during Brexit debate

www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1098070273707173

NF singing "I'm gonna tell 500 lies" (the man who acts as Putin's fool)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-xLmI352vE

So, the Farage answer to the Northern Ireland problem Urmstongran is to "just walk away" and in doing that risk restarting the war in Ireland.

Perhaps he feels that is a price worth paying for the "terrible injustices" his mind perceives that EU membership has done to Britain.

Leavers on this forum have always claimed that had complete knowledge of what they were voting for in the Referendum. However, in voting for the Brexit party leavers will not be able to make such a claim as that party clearly has no thought-out policies even on Brexit.

The only thing that will be demonstrated by supporting the Brexit party would be that those who do are nothing else but blind unknowing disciples of Nigel Farage.

Anyway off to work now, and it's de-mob day for six days. See you later.

Nigel Farage is an odious little worm of a man. The end!

Nope, sorry Whitewave I’m not reading/answering. I know jura2 will cheer you on from the sidelines though if you answer your questions, quoting your own experts!

Actually, Urmstongran, I asked the questions not Whitewave, and I am very interested in the answers. I am not sure how you think a "leave" which suits those who voted that way can be put in place unless we understand what you actually want to achieve by leaving.

I do not understand why you think that "Britain would have more control of its laws and regulations without risk of having counterintuitive policies forcefully imposed."

The UK would have more control or it's laws an regulations - I agree - until we make other trade deals or security pacts, etc and then we will be back to finding something we can all agree on. It's the bit about "counterintuitive policies forcefully imposed.", that escapes me and that is surely easy to explain - it is such a big thing if it is happening. Nothing was done "forcefully" than I can think of. Of course, in any negotiation, you may have more or less power but we have what we have. Within the EU we have had a great deal of power and will have less outside it, wouldn't we? I would not call that force but if you do surely we will be more "forced" to do things we don't exactly want to get deals with more powerful countries, states or groups? The counterintuitive bit I really don't understand; counterintuitive to what?

Seriously, it is not only not how I see things but I can't work out why you do and not only would I like you to explain it for me I don't see how any sort of solution which meets your needs and desires can be found unless people with your views do, so at least we can understand where you are coming from even though we may not agree. Currently, no doubt because of my lack of insight, I do not understand what you mean. I really would appreciate you walking me through it. Otherwise, surely, it's just a case of you saying "I'm right" and walking away leaving no one any the wiser and making it impossible to know what the right changes are - leaving may be one of them but fewer and fewer people are convinced and I think that comes from extreme Brexit politicians and those who want leave not producing the evidence, I'm afraid.

Well well it was only to be expected all the Remoaners threatened by The Brexit Party starting the smear and hate campaign again Nigel how sad and predictable.

The day I feel threatened by the likes of the hard right like Farage will be the day this country is lost to an authoritarian fascistic state. Bannon a white supremisist neo-Nazi, is working alongside Farage, Banks, Rees Mogg, Johnson etc to achieve just that.

I am very keen not to see this happen.

NF is only still hanging around here because he thought he was going to get a job with Trump and that didn't materialise did it? He was rubbing shoulders with a man who's only interested in what anyone can do for him. Trump didn't have a use for him so he's back here reinventing himself.

He's so rude to members of the EU Parliament he's an embarrassment.

No one needs to "create" anything about Nigel he is what he is. A rich ex-banker who has made substantial amounts of money by pretending to be what he is not, getting paid for a job he doesn't do and promising things he can't deliver.

I am intrigued by how he has managed to form a new Political Party and get so many votes it is quite unusual in this country. I heard his mum speak at a large U3A meeting and nobody had the nerve to mention him, although she did very briefly. Her talk was funny and a bit off the wall, nothing to do with Bre..... or her family, maybe its genetic.

Sorry GracesGran I said Whitewave in error.
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No, I’m not saying ‘I’m right’ and walking off.

But I am saying ‘I made a decision after listening to different experts’. Big difference.
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But you will not share what it is that has persuaded you?

Tories through their ineptitude, In fighting and lack of moral fibre have given him a platform.

Please stop talking about “remoaners” Brexiters wouldn’t like to be called “brexshitters” at every sentence and would go all huffy and claim they are always being insulted when Brexiters on here are chucking out the insults. We are discussing the hypocrite Farage ( not the believers) and how he is actually quite clever but disingenuously unpleasant behind the scenes. Yes he’ll get votes from his believers and those souls who think he will deliver the promised land and those who want to stick two fingers up at the main parties no doubt. But don’t hold your breath for the promised land.

Not today GracesGran I did so yesterday! Did you not read further upthread?

message Urmstongran Tue 16-Apr-19 17:53:23

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Funny isn’t it how almost 3 years on we keep being asked to explain why we voted as we did? What does it matter?

We go round in circles! Let’s just stay on topic now, for sanity’s sake.
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WhitewaveMk2 your comment : The day I feel threatened by the likes of the hard right like Farage will be the day this country is lost to an authoritarian fascistic state. Bannon a white supremisist neo-Nazi, is working alongside Farage, Banks, Rees Mogg, Johnson etc to achieve just that
sums it up perfectly. There is an air of desperation on GN from some posters, clinging on to the ghastly Nigel and his fake smile, fake bonhomie, fake promises. I try very hard to understand other people's political beliefs, but I am appalled by how many have been taken in by this ghastly man and his politics of division and hate.

An interesting article about the new "Brexit Party" from Stephen Bush of the New Statesman. He starts of with a comparison of UKIP and Brexit where he voices the opinion that it is the split of one party, both saying the same thing but with Batten saying explicitly what the Brexit party says implicitly. His trick with the old UKIP was to bring together those of the traditional far right with those who held the same political views but were opposed to the explicit racism of the BNP. He fears that being explicit would lose him half his voters.

As it is, SB feels that only the politically engaged are aware of the change to UKIP and people will still vote, unaware of the racism because it is the most efficient way to signal 'leave'. He sees this as a challenge to Farage who, he explains, need the votes not only of the new voters to his party but the old ones from UKIP. He needs someone else to flag up how disreputable UKIP has become but cannot do it himself. None of the other parties are interested in wasting political capital on this and neither, it appears, are his media allies.

(Sorry no link or copy and paste possible but I think I got the gist of the piece.)

Firecracker: 'Well well it was only to be expected all the Remoaners threatened by The Brexit Party starting the smear and hate campaign again Nigel how sad and predictable.'

facts speak for themselves- so he is the only one responsible for his actions. Trisher described him perfectly a few posts before.

My mother, born in 1915, went to study German in Munich at the end of 1932- and had to leave before her year was up, early 1933. She described how it all started- insults in the streets, beatings up, a few shop windows smashed and painted on, a few piles of books burnt here and there.

When she returned, and described what was happening, she was told to be quiet and not to make up nonsense. She told me people were desperate, and would have believed in anyone who promised better times, if only they got rid of certain people ... and they did 'believe in him'. Reading those words here made me gasp.

“Jura* which is why people like Hestletine are warning us over the rhetoric being reminiscent of the 30s.

It is desperate.

"But I am saying ‘I made a decision after listening to different experts’. Big difference."

Which experts Urmstongran? Point me to them and I will go off and read.

Another really heartening thing from your post jura2 is how your mum was quite able to travel and study in Europe on a visa.
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Oh Jeez GracesGran!
Sure you will.
I read loads of stuff 3 years ago. As you did too I expect.

Ha! Tell you what ... start with that leaflet the government sent out to every household in the U.K. You remember the one! It cost us taxpayers a lot of money. It’s what a good deal of the country based their decision on.
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Enough.
It’s only fair to the OP to return to what we think of Nigel Farage and the Brexit party.

Have you seen how well he’s doing in the polls? Wow!

“Take Farage away from UKIP and The Brexit party and you are left with a fascist, rascist hard right party. Farage simply lends a veneer of respectability to these parties.

What is worrying is that a significant number of leave voters
won’t face up to what they really are, they are not prepared to disown the fascists and say that they don’t speak in their name”