What do we think of Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party?

Urmstongran- yes, the wealthy can always find a way to travel. Especially as a Student paying large private fees. Even I came before the EU - because I happened to know the right people at the right time. The only way I could come and work in London, in 1970- is because the Employer applied for a special work permit for me, making the case that they needed me (a foreigner) to do the job, because they could not find anyone with my qualifications locally. I am indeed the only person among my friends who was able to come and work in the UK - all the others either had rich parents to pay for private schools, or came as Au Pairs.

And yes, he is doing well in the polls- and that relate directly to my previous posts- and it is seriously worrying.

Gill, you say you are appalled by how many people are taken in by NF.

I am too but certainly surprised. At the risk of stereotyping, if you fall into conversation with tradesmen or Joe Public in a bar or a neighbour, they will sometimes assume without any thought that you ( by virtue of being white skinned) agree with their little England/Land of Hope and Glory/send them back mentality. Taking back control blah blah,
It is gob smacking sometimes.

Well, things are moving:

Nigel Farage launched the new Brexit Party with Annunizta Rees-Mogg last week

Before the event took place the outfit scored 15 per cent in an EU election poll

With five weeks until election day, Labour leads on 24 per cent, YouGov say

But an analyst has suggested the Brexit Party could surge to a shock victory

So what in that leaflet led you believe the things you have been saying have made you decide to leave Urmstongran?

Did it really make you think we would have more power to make deals outside the EU than we do in? That is one of the reasons you seemed to give, and that they would be more the deal we want than we get now? To be honest I don't remember any alternative "experts" saying that anywhere and I feel I must have missed something. Where can I find this expert evidence please. I believe that you believe this to be true. I just cannot see why. If you want our country to come out of this with some sort of cohesive society, and we all surely do, then I would have thought you would be prepared to offer the links or just tell me where to find the evidence.

You seem to have gone off onto another theme now with the government leaflet. What did that say that convinced you we should leave. It did cost us a lot of money and I am not sure it was the best way to inform everyone but that can not be a reason to vote to turn the status quo that has existed for over 40 years upside down surely. I am convinced you have a more logical reason than that. You would have, wouldn't you? Anyone would.

(I had just put on a post about the thinking re the Brexit party, by the way. I am not ignoring the OP - multi tasking )

Please Lily65 can you not tell the difference between ending immigration and controlling immigration?

Please don't risk going on a diet, if you can't tell the difference between ending something and controlling it.
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There is a word specifically for women who make comments like that. It's not very nice so I won't be using it.

Your stupid little smiley faces mean nothing.

Of course immigration needs to be given thought. It's an almighty mess.

Oh Lily65 your post says a good deal more about you than me I think.

Lily65. I suppose it was always the case. My father was stationed in Germany in 1945 with my mother joining him a little later. They made many friends amongst the Germans and liked them very much. Later everyone was encouraged to employ local people to help them rebuild their country. They were also stationed their later when I was born in 1949 so I always wanted to hear about the country.

I remember my father saying that the people they met could not understand how they were where they were. "Everybody" had thought they were doing the right thing. "Nobody" believed the rumours of bad things happening and sadly "Everybody" believed what was said against the Jews. I remember him telling me (later on) that the people who went to the rallies and cheered were almost all "good people".

I have had the same experience as you. Talking to my mother's neighbours as I sorted her house out - one of whom had been the best of neighbours for years - they both assumed I would agree with their view of immigrants and of leaving the EU. Even in a shop an older lady (a few years older than me) picked up a newspaper and passed a similar sort of comment expecting me to agree.

It even has a name; it is called a "false consensus". Dad explained that his German friends, at the beginning of the war felt that those who disagreed with this view they had - that "all good Germans" would think - were shattered that they had not questioned, wondered but had just gone along with what they thought was Everyone's view. It certainly made them feel good after an appalling depression, where no one was offering them the New Deal as they were in America, in their case they were offered war.

The problem is always to know who is living in the "false consensus"? Obviously we all are to some degree. Who is overestimating the extent to which their opinions, beliefs, preferences, values, and habits are normal and typical of others? Who is just not questioning their conclusions, wondering why other don't agree?

Read or watch 'the Book Thief' - a wonderful illustration of that.

Within EU rules, we could have easily controlled EU immigration- the UK chose NOT TO- it is not the EUs fault.

Are the most recent immigration figures being ignored? Immigration from the EU is down, immigration from the rest of the world is up. The total number of immigrants is essentially unchanged. So where is there any logic at all in restricting EU immigration by losing FOM?
Is this distaste for allowing EU immigrants through FOM some sort of racism? Or some weird idea of 'fairness' by making everyone have to jump through hoops to get into the UK? Which includes UK citizens having to jump through hoops to get into EU states.
I remind people once again the mechanism has always been there to ensure that EU immigrants are not a drain on our social services, a mechanism that other EU states have no hesitation in applying. If, after 3 months the EU immigrant has no job, no means of support and no comprehensive health insurance they can be made to leave. We've just never bothered to implement it.

It is frightening just how many people are prepared to vote for a no policy party ( other than leaving the EU); what are the policies on education/defence/health etc? It is frankly stupid, and I fear for a country with an electorate who will vote in this way. Do any of you Farage fans really think he cares for anything other than his own career? Judge a man by the company he keeps and you won't go far wrong. He is vile, he is dangerous and he is making fools of all of you who plan on voting for him. As for anyone voting UKIP; they have gone beyond the pale and anyone voting for them is a racist, no ifs no buts.

We who voted Leave have already been made fools of by the incumbent politicians. They were given the opportunity to implement Brexit and failed.

Nigel Farage will, to the cheers of Leave voters up and down England and Wales, take us forward.

You had your chance HoC. It’s time at long last to do it properly.

You say “Or some weird idea of 'fairness' by making everyone have to jump through hoops to get into the UK?”

What is wrong with controlled immigration? You can’t just up sticks and go and live in Canada, Australia or the USA.

Anyway
Back to Farage ....

In an ironic twist, Tories, Labour and the other EU quisling parties will have to fight for the Remain voters. Meanwhile, Brexit party (the only party for a true Brexit) will get all of the Leave voters. Brilliant.

Kapitan who gave you the information about our ages? There are many people under pensionable age on GN. What evidence do you have that those posting on this thread are a representative sample of all people in the Uk over the age of 65?

If you make statements like yours you need the statistical evidence form a reliable source to prove it.

Well well it was only to be expected all the Remoaners threatened by The Brexit Party starting the smear and hate campaign again Nigel how sad and predictable.

Why on earth should we want to do that? He does it so well when left to himself.

ACGrayling reporting that Farage is receiving bucket loads of money all at £499. This has Bannons fingers all over it.

appeals to the lowest common denominator

Here we go.

Shades of Remainers who know best versus all the pig-ignorant nasties who voted Leave. (the lowest common denominator). It says more about you Framilode (a Labour supporter, perchance?) than anyone that you resort to such base and crude jibes.

I was waiting for the put-down of all the very ordinary, decent, upstanding, hard-working people who have already joined the Brexit Party as a token gesture because the Westminster elite have been looking after their own interests all along.

Labour have betrayed the very people, working classes, middle classes, all with a social conscience, who are now looking for political alternatives.

You are very wrong, but any nasty ammunition will do.

For your information, an ex colleague, University lecturer who trains social workers joined the Brexit Paty yesterday, paid her £25, because she, like many others, wants to smash the two-party system we have at present, which isn't serving anyone, apart from self-serving MPs.

Lowest common denominator? You frightful snob!

Do any of you Farage fans really think he cares for anything other than his own career?

Likewise, Jeremy Corbyn, the well knon Euro-sceptic for decades in politics. He lambasted the EU at every turn. He understood how it didn't serve the UK ell.

Now? What a U turn! Blocks Brexit.

He is not thinking of the keys to Number Ten by any chance is he??? Surely not? He has become a Remainer. A turncoat, a worm, a traitor and a hypocrite.

Couldn't be trusted to run a white van, (oh shudder, Labour supporters - "ghastly white van drivers?" ) never mind the country.

Urmstongran if you have been made fools by anyone in the giant con trick called Brexit you are looking at the wrong people to blame. The elite behind Brexit have been pulling your strings since this was first mooted and they are certainly not doing it for your sake.

What I think of Farage and his Brexit Party is unprintable.

I didn’t know this was a what do you think of Jeremy Corbyn thread. Just because other politicians are awful doesn’t make the Nige any less odious.

Here's an analogy for the Brexiteers.
An advertiser tells you there are apples available that are sweet, red and juicy and you decide you want some, but when you get to the shop there are no red apples and they won't be available for some time, even then the shopkeeper tells you they willl cost substantially more than you have been told and there is no guarantee that they will arrive. In the meantime he has green apples or pears. Who do you blame for not getting your apples the advertiser or the shopkeeper?
(If you can't work it out
Farage/UKIP/Leave campaigners=the advertiser.
MPs=shopkeeper.)
In other words don't blame the people trying to deliver the impossible, blame those who said it would be easy.

There is a huge amount of truth in that GG3.

Before the referendum Brexit simply didn’t appear anywhere when voters were asked about what were their biggest concerns or even just concern. Nobody was that bothered.

What people were concerned about was the lack of well paid employment, the rising poverty, the cuts to schools budgets, rising house prices and the fact that the voter could see their standard of living stagnating if not in reverse gear.

Farage and cohorts played a very clever game by recognising the discontent, particularly amongst the working classes. Farage and co had been agitating to leave the EU for ever, and by “othering” particular groups in society alongside employing identifiable psychological tools, were able to tap into the discontent within society, they also appealed to the nationalists, which of course wasn’t so difficult.
But Farage was able to convince the disaffected voter that all would be well once we had left the EU.
Farage and co have very different agendas of course, but this confidence trick found legs and flew.
The voter feeling that none of the political parties were or had been on their side were more than happy to stick it to Cameron.

Of course people now find varied reason why they voted to leave, and many

Please ignore last line.