Lyra Mckee

The new ! IRA was formed in 2012, how can brexit be used as a reason for this tragedy

Countrylife, thank you I totally agree with your post ?

?? Very well said Countrylife I agree with you and imagine lots of others on GN do too.

Annepl. Thanks I don’t normally get involved in this sort of discussion as it tends to upset and anger so easily but the thought of people hi jacking this poor woman’s loved ones grief for some personal gripe absolutely infuriated me.

Very well said Countrylife.

I am sorry but I feel that the politics of Brexit has absolutely nothing to do with the dreadful murder of this young woman.

People who insight violence and are violent just to force their own views on any issue on any person, whether it be politics, religion, race or way of life, are criminals. This happening in any other country around the world would immediately be condemned and it should be in this case.

Sadly organisations that believe they have the right to force their will on others without democratic choice attract the sort of person who enjoys violence and is very likely unabalanced in some way.

Shooting into a crowd of innocents is unjustifiable, just as waking into a nightclub in Paris, a Mosque, a Church or a concert venue and murdering other human beings is dispicable and abhorent behaviour. I do not care what so called cause you wrap yourself in.

I think the apology is a far more insult than anything. To say basically ‘oh sorry it was a mistake’ is beyond evil.

I hope they loose all support although I guess they are stupid teenagers who don’t even remember the troubles.

Hopefully they can now be squashed by the authorities and shunned by their community

Aggie that is terrible andd so stupid. I think it is actually worse now. There is little integration in working class areas.
It wasn't like that in the mixed estate where I lived. At the time (1950s-early 1960s there were Hibernian parades and Orange parades and they were civilised. We had a (very small) bonfire on 11 July to celebrate the Battle of the Boyne and everyone joined in and we all had treats and it was a party atmosphere. It all changed around 1968 sadly. When I married in the 70s I brought my children up to respect all beliefs and sent them to an integrated school (which incidentally should be compulsory imo). We never joined in any commemorative events as it was no longer just a fun celebration . There are many people like me. We don't all support bigotry and violence. Sadly voting is still polarised because of the border.

Same here GG13 - we learnt the hard way.

aggi that’s a real insight, thank you.

We moved over to NI just after the war , all the children played out in the street ................ until the !st of July when we were shunned . We had no idea what the matter was , and our parents couldn't or wouldn't say , so we shrugged our shoulders and took it in our stride , we drifted back to playing over the summer and then the next year was the same , so we just got on with things , I had a bicycle for passing the 11+ and took myself off with a jam sandwich , it did make me a loner and bred distrust . My children were in a village school and didn't mix with the other school , but it is different with the grandchildren , mixed activities and socializing have meant that we get on with everyone , our seniors club is mixed , our local history society the same , so things are slowly changing . but I would say no Storment isn't helping , all the local Council Election candidates seem decent people when I talk to them at the door , but voting will be along tribal lines ... sigh

Totally agree, I have been to Southern Ireland and they were friendly. We visited a lot of the historic buildings and Old Dublin Gaol and the troubles and aftermath are still to the forefront.

I have N.I family (through marriage) and avoid political discussions at all costs.

It has Grannygravy. Not from everyone I hasten to add. Ireland imo should never have been split but it is and you can't just undo it in a moment. I believe unity will come. But as with Brexit it will be a long process. In the meantime I think we need to get on with looking after the citizens regarding day to day issues and let the ballot box look after the future. And forget about commemorating the past for the sake of young ones and future generations.
Northern Irish folk are so friendly and helpful and have a great sense of humour. - as long as you dont mention religion /politics. I have family from England who love it here. Its a beautiful country. It should be a lovely little place to live.

annepl I think the hatred has been passed down through the generations, which is so very sad for this and future generations.

Utterly disgusting! Many older people are still poisoning the minds of the young.

maryeliza my moral compass is perfectly ok thank you.

I think eazy was being ironic GG and stop claiming the high moral ground because of your family - I doubt anyone on GN thinks it’s ‘all right’

eazybee coming from a “forces family” I think it is anything but “alright then”

So that's all right then.

New IRA have come out and apologised for the murder of LM, and stated that they were aiming for British Forces.

Whoever wrote that religion is not the root cause of most wars, needs to think again.
I well remember the Orange Parades in Liverpool. There were wall to wall police.
I know that it's men (for the most part) who partake in these actions but thst is because they hate whatever the opposing religion stands for.
If there were no religions, men would have to find another peg to hang their hat on.
I doubt that they use religion as a whipping boy simply as an excuse for their anger, because what would the root of their anger be?

Of course the IRA haven't disappeared.. And its sad that young people are still being brought up to hate each other.
The use of violence to achieve a political aim can NEVER be justified. In fact violence is never the answer to any problem. I find it extremely sad that people will not leave the past behind. We need to stop investigating the past, just let it go and give our children and grandchildren a life to look forward to. Stop commemorating the past- on both sides. DUP and SF need to get back to work with no preconditions.

To think that Brexit, the power the DUP now hold in the UK and the collapse of power sharing in N Ireland have not had an effect on the rise of violence is simply stupid. All of these have played their part. It seems that the young men involved are not old enough to have ever experienced the terrors of life during the Troubles. It was just a powder keg with a spluttering fuse and all these factors have provided a wind to inflame it. Lyra Mckee's death was terrible but unless the underlying issues are tackled it won't be the last sadly.

Interesting take:

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/matt-frei/brexit-end-of-union-warns-irish-journalist/?fbclid=IwAR2GvshEwagf8DMrwvaB-KkeDdUJxE7C6Q49v3QkKzi73K4oQ-jZbu6iaek

Callistemon- fully aware thanks. But it is the current situation with the border isssues which has given them a new 'excuse'. I know people from the other side who have also never been behind the GFA.