Visit of Trump

Surely not!! Perhaps J.C does?!!

Corbyn properly thinks snubbing the queen and the American President will get him more votes .

And he praised President Chavez !

Wonder if the families of the Birmingham bombings think of the IRA as freedom fighters

Here we go again. Yawn.

Callistemon Quote [ Are you saying the people who just killed that young journalist are freedom fighters then, Grandad1943?] End Quote.

Callistemon, I am saying that the Causes people represent can be viewed entirely in a different light given the passage of time. No one sanctions indiscriminate killing in support of any cause, but radical elements will always attach themselves to freedom causes.

Did you mean properly btw because it works ( although in a different way from probably) ?

Anniebach Quote [Wonder if the families of the Birmingham bombings think of the IRA as freedom fighters] End Quote.

Well, Tony Blair eventually negotiated the Good Friday agreement with the IRA, and they most certainly consider themselves as "Freedom Fighters."

Cannot see any similarities between the rupublicans of N.I
and the Black South Africans during ,Apartheid , grandad1943 can, by comparing them.

Still puzzled, Mandela a radical ?

Anniebach Quote [Still puzzled, Mandela a radical ?] End Quote.

Anniebach, of course, Mandela was a radical. He was opposed to the Aspartate government of South Africa, who at one time was accepted as the legitimate government by almost all governments in the world.

The above made Nelson Mandela a radical for change and viewed as a freedom fighter or even as a terrorist by Margaret Thacher.

Apologies should be apartheid in my post above, not Aspartate.

Voice of a radical

“During my lifetime I have dedicated myself to this struggle of the African people. I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die”

After this speech Nelson was sentenced to life imprisonment.

Grandad1943 what's your opinion on the murderers who think of themselves as the New IRA who killed Lyra McKee? Do you feel so sympathetic to them?

Interesting Whitewave he wanted the very opposite to the IRA .

After the Brighton bombing Corbyn invited 2 IRA members to Westminster, suppose now he is party leader he won’t invite members of the new ! IRA

The ‘real’ IRA as they styled themselves, never accepted the Good Friday Agreement, it put a halt to their lucrative criminal activities, no doubt the self styled ‘new’ IRA are the same criminals and thugs.
Two or three teenagers are being hunted for the murder of Lyra McKee, I wonder if they feel big men now? !

Here we go again with the idiotic Corbyn, refusing to attend the dinner, he really has been raised above his real pay grade.He continues with rebellious back bencher antics......who can seriously imagine this plonker as a PM.
That’s a rhetorical question btw, as I know he has a few fans on here.

Callistemon Quote [ Grandad1943 what's your opinion on the murderers who think of themselves as the New IRA who killed Lyra McKee? Do you feel so sympathetic to them?] End Quote.

I have not stated that I feel sympathy for anyone who commits indiscriminate acts of violence against any other persons. However, I am I believe a realist in acknowledging that the Brexit border issue and the lack of a stable devolved government in Northern Ireland are making for a fertile recruiting ground once again for the IRA.

Should the above border and governance situation continue to deteriorate, then the return to violence we have already witnessed will steadily grow worse to the detriment of the whole of Britain. It always has been the case in Ireland that when those who perpetrate violence are apprehended, they become an icon to those who feel that the whole of Ireland should be under the one administration of the Dublin government. In that, others come forward to replace those in the IRA that have been apprehended and once again the violence grows.

Tony Blair accepted the above and in that brought forward negotiations with the IRA which led to the Good Friday agreement. Should that agreement break down in the coming months, I feel there will be no further opportunities for peaceful Westminster government in Northern Ireland and eventually (perhaps after many more lives have been lost) the British administration in the North of Ireland will come to an end.

However, i am someone who has always felt that since 1922 Westminster had had a poor case for retaining any rule in Ireland.

Oh well done Vince and Jeremy. Refusing an invite to eat with Trump shows support for the women in US who have demonstrated and marched to show their contempt for this mysoginist,racist man.
I hope others do the same and it would be great if their places were left empty as an indication of how many despise this man

Hardly a new fashion, since the world has now been laughing at, and hating this utter moron for a number of years.

I can just imagine what will go through the minds of the royal family as this obsequious twerp seeks to impress them....and Tweets about his experiences

When he was elected, I told a despairing friend in New York, that in Yorkshire, the word 'trump' is a euphemism for breaking wind.

Well it’s said he talks a lot of hot air, so maybe the name suits!

Jeremy Corbin and Bercow have declined invitation to join DT for dinner during state visit, I wouldn’t want those two around my dinner table either! ??

I doubt you would ever be in a position to host Corbyn or Bercow Poppyred but should I ever have that opportunity I can imagine some lively and erudite conversations.

I have two American Trump fans coming to stay during his visit and luckily I only have to host these for a week. If they weren’t family (DH’s side not mine!) I would not give them the time of day. From past experience they are dull, uninteresting guests without an original thought in their heads.

He’s still popular over there though with millions of Americans. A lot of whom think he’ll get a second term. Especially as the Democrats aren’t fielding a particularly strong candidate and this time Trump is actively supported by the Republicans. He has a $40 million stash ready to fight the next election as he was very aware Clinton outspent him last time.
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Well so far we have GG54 and poppyred willing to share the company of the odious Trump. (Sorry if I missed any other fans).

Anyone else wish to join the illustrious company?

I'd prefer the alternative and share my time with those who have declined the invitation!

That’s a strange way to look at the situation mcem
I imagine those posters are taking a pragmatic view of politics and diplomacy where state visits/banquets are concerned, and are not ‘personalising’ or getting emotional about the subject as so many seem to be doing.
Corbyn will sit down and eat with all sorts of highly dubious characters btw but then (because DT is very right wing) refuses to eat with him.If DT was just as odious but left wing, then Corbyn would have no problem attending.
I suppose we should be thankful that Her Maj and the government of the day (whichever Party) are not made up of self righteous Gners.

Just a reminder that there was absolutely no need for Trump to be invited for a State Visit; it is not a common occurrence for US presidents to be given one. This is only the third during the reign of our current monarch. That SVs of US presidents are so rare makes me even more annoyed about this visit. It will give DT something to crow about and I'm willing to take money on him claiming to be the 1st US president to be invited on one; given his habitual lying ?

The truth is, as I said much earlier in this thread, that we are having to endure this because May is trying desperately to keep this obnoxious person 'on side' in the hopes of a post Brexit trade deal. Further embarrasing humiliation for the UK I'm afraid.

Once again I'm puzzled that people just can't see this ~

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_visits_received_by_Elizabeth_II

.....and just to be clear, I am certainly not a ‘fan’ of DT and have never said a single thing that’s good about him, either in RL or on GN.