The embarrassment of the Tories

I and all my immediate family past and present have always voted Conservative.

I am not proud of my party at the moment, although my local MP is fantastic as is the one in the next constituency.

The only placards / banners being shown in and around these parts are “Conservative”. I would be very surprised if the so called “Tory heartlands” suddenly returned a Labour or Other Parties MP to HofP.

I only wish the infighting and leaks whether they be from MPs or Civil Servants would stop. Then hopefully they can get back to the business of running the Country.

MOnica

Totally agree.

Both parties are led by a coterie of privately educated posh boys.

paddyAnn

I thought the SNP have lost many seats in the last few elections and polls suggest most Scots don’t want another Indy Ref

It’s really amusing that any criticism of Corbyn is met with cries of ‘far right’ or Tory.

I never said Corbyn would be worse than this present shower I said they would be just as bad.

No even as a teenager I though communism was as ridiculous and as corrupt and evil as fascism. Maybe I was a cynical teenager!

Socialism isn’t what labour is now.

As I said in my view socialism died with John Smith.

It is a sign of the desperation of Tory party members and supporters that the first thing they do when questioned about policy/achievements/austerity/scarcity of public spending etc., etc., is to say 'Oh, but it would be so much worse under a Corbyn government!'

trisher labour are awful because, like the Conservatives they are busy fighting each other like ferrets in a sack, are always backbiting and hating each other and chose a leader who has consistently supported terrorist causes.

If he had done it because he was deeply convinced about the rightness of their cause, I might have disagreed but would have respected him. But he always leaves me with the thought that he supports things that cause outrage just to be awkward and difficult and annoy the people in charge. Most of us grow out of that once we cease to be stroppyteenagers.

In that cas Paddy you are part of the problem and an active contributor to the appalling state of politics today. Something to be proud of.

Don't want to fade anyone out Mycat but don't want to be rude and not answer if one is needed.

in my book Tory = evil self serving a corrupt ...they have always been this way .Look at their history.As for Corbyn being a self confessed marxist ...lol.It was in the dim and distant past ,how many toyed with communismas an ideal when they were young? Most moved onto socialism which is a very different thing.Thankfully I'll vote SNP and hopefully we'll have Independence very soon.The state Westminster is in and the people" leading the country" into oblivion are certainly helping the cause .

I think it would have held more integrity if the leaker went public!!! I suppose that would still be actionable but at least they are publish and be damned??

Lily65

But I think it’s because it’s true. Both are awful. However I can see how I have skewered the original thread and so apologise.

GracesgranMK3

Generally to anyone who listens. You quite free to fade me out.

I'm not even sure who mycat is talking to.

As for the leak, I am in two minds about it. It was not a directly defence problem and I would want us to know we are doing deals like this with the Chinese. Hmmm.

Anniebach Fri 26-Apr-19 11:24:49

This is your constant refrain Annie and it is really just for you. All you are doing is trying to reinforce the views you hold with anything and everything you can find. It is not discussion and it is very, very boring to just hear what is basically you, talking aloud and having a conversation with yourself to convince yourself that you are right.

but, mycat, that is my point. I don't slavish follow anybody or anything.

If anybody comments on political party X, people say oh no Y is twice as bad.

On and on it rattles.

It is criminal.
I trust qq that you aren’t supporting a criminal act?

I think if one of the group had told the pm if this went ahead they would in good conscience resign and publicly say why that’s integrity.

Lying and leaking Is cowardly

Any government who thinks it is prudent to allow Chinese involvement in our telecommunications industry deserves to be exposed. The people should be told these things. There are too many secrets being kept, supposedly to keep the plebs under control.

The leak is utterly disgraceful and the culprit should be outed and sacked and possibly prosecuted.

He’s also won beard of the year 6 times and that hardly makes him the stuff of a PM.

Who are they???

see you and others like you are part of the problem. Polarising politics.

If you don’t worship Corbyn you are far right.

If you don’t worship Farrage you are far left and a traitor to Brexit.

Honestly when did we sink so low to gutter politics and shouty echo chambers.

Anyway in my view the labour front bench is equally as awful unpleasant and incompetent as the Tory front bench. I couldn’t vote for either.

Yet again, a political thread has been derailed by the meaningless argument of 'the other side is even worse'. To get back on track, this is a breach of the OSA, which has never happened before in ANY government and should be wholeheartedly condemned by everyone, no matter what their political leanings are.

Corbyn has morals ? He talks to anyone to establish peace?

Refusing an invitation to attend the Holocaust Memorial in Israel because he was too busy.

Refusing to meet victims of IRA terrorists because he was too busy.

Trisher you know what they say (well Socrates said) "“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” It's happened for such a long time that I don't think they will stop now. The very first reply did not take time to reply to the OP but did take time to attack Corbyn. You have to ask just how frighten people are that their much loved Tories have reached the end of road. All we can do is ignore it or answer it with information.

So, is Jeremy Corbyn a Marxist, self-confessed or otherwise and does it matter? Why does this worry our right-wing thinking posters I wonder? I would say, if you are going to label people then yes, undoubtedly he is.

He believes in a more egalitarian society; he believes in social democracy; he sees that those crises keep coming – the Great Depression of the 1870s, the same in the 1930s, the stagflation following the 1973 oil crisis, the crisis of 2007, and so on. He’s far from alone in his Marxism in the House of Commons though and probably, though they may use another descriptor, far from alone on here.

So what, exactly is there to worry about that?

Do those who throw this about not believe in the principle that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities?

Do those who keep crying wolf not support economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a liberal democratic policy and a capitalist economy?

Have those who offer nothing positive but only negative and personal not seen the crisis that roll from decade to decade because of the way capitalism is currently structured. (Lots of different capitalisms remember).

Just what is wrong with someone, anyone, having Marxist principles or just what is wrong with those who seek to use rumour and gossip and undefined name calling, not to make a counter argument but just to try and slur another human being.

GG3 bad law by the Tories.

They introduced the Fixed term in 2011, but it was badly done. It was done in too much of a hurry - typically of the Cameron government without much thought, and has made it very difficult to get rid of a government should it be deemed necessary - like the position we find ourselves in now.

Mycatisahacker the usual unsubstantiated comments about anyone who posts anything supportive about Corbyn. Why would he receive 2 peace prizes if he had no statesmanship? Talking to people is a vital part of the process. That's what is involved in leadership.
Perhaps he would be "terrified to be PM" but I'm not sure that is necessarily a bad thing. Realising the enormity of the task and the responsibility for other people involved, rather than taking a personal power trip would make a pleasant change.
It so amuses me when people call me a Corbynista or accuse me of worshiping someone. They really don't know what an iconoclast I am.