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Huawei - how much of a risk?

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Whitewavemark2 Thu 02-May-19 08:30:09

We are the only Country in the Western world who are prepared to employ Huawei to construct the infrastructure in preparation for the introduction for 5G.

No other government is prepared to allow Huawei near their systems as they are known to have strong leaks with the Chinese intelligence and are known to spy for China .

Is this another huge gaff by the Tory government or are we better to try to keep China onside because we are so desperate for trade post Brexit?

pinkquartz Thu 02-May-19 14:03:14

Trisher I am NOT fooling myself. China is and always has been a state controlled place. The USA has faults but it is not state controlled.
If our Govt sells us out to China you will regret being so naive!
We could not even have this debate in China.
USA is far from perfect and so are we. But we are the most liberal culture on the planet so far. Flawed yes but not a country devoid of Human Rights.
China began its journey into prosperity by forcing prisoners to make goods in factories and paid them NOTHING! that is how they got started. and we have bought into their cheap and often toxic goods to the detriment of our economy.

When a country develops Apps to spy on it's own people what will be next?

instagran Thu 02-May-19 15:06:41

Please google DANGER OF G5.

petra Thu 02-May-19 15:11:59

Pinkquartz
The 'app' sounds like something our government would be interested in wink
I remember seeing it in action when they showed what was happening with the Uighur people.

lemongrove Thu 02-May-19 15:37:40

Good posts pinkquartz...my thoughts entirely.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 02-May-19 16:01:48

nanatoone interesting and informative post - thank you

pamhill4 Thu 02-May-19 16:17:24

5G! I’d just like to get a reliable 3G personally. Many times even in Cities let alone in the countryside, the phone WiFi just suddenly drops out and the little thingy (technical term lol) goes round and round in circles. How about the Government concentrate on getting good WiFi coverage countrywide before leaping at 5G off some dodgy salesmen?

CarlyD7 Thu 02-May-19 17:57:52

By leaving the EU we will make ourselves dependent on any trade deals that nations like China or the USA deign to throw our way. Interesting the Huawei got the go ahead at the same time as a trade deal with China is being negotiated. Don't let us fool ourselves that they're not related. And, yes, I think it's a big risk.

Paul2706 Thu 02-May-19 18:19:40

All this talk of spying this has gone on probably unnoticed or unreported for decades should we worry about the Chinese according to economists the Chinese bubble has burst and their economy is suffering decline so they probably need this deal just as much as we do also GCHQ maybe snooping on the Chinese unbeknown to us.

Grandmama Thu 02-May-19 19:28:46

Personally I wouldn't touch China with a barge pole. No respect for human rights, copyright, international treaties - look at the unrest in Hong Kong, look at how it has treated Africa and Tibet, the Uighur Muslims. Universities have reported attempts at hacking from China. Islands being created in the South China sea. I cannot understand why Mrs May is flying in the face of warnings from the security services to use Chinese technology. I would not give them house room.

GabriellaG54 Thu 02-May-19 19:59:09

Paul2706
Do try putting some punctuation in your comments. It's not a text message.

M0nica Thu 02-May-19 22:07:09

Human rights is irrelevant in considering this issue. China is a totalitarian state. There is nothing of any strategic importance in that country that exists other than at the consent and will of the government and to think that Huawei is not a direct part of this process is to be deeply naive.

Imagine GCHQ operating through Vodaphone and you have an idea how a UK equivalent would look.

We are the only country so far to think it safe to work with them on 5G and as I write the 10.00pm news on R4 is reporting on how Huawei is involved in enabling the Chineses government to monitor the activities of its population.

narrowboatnan Thu 02-May-19 22:47:09

Nothing to do with the politics or security (or lack of) here, but every time I see the name of the Company I can’t help but be transported back in time to the days when we had a little WiFi device made by them on our boat. We had no idea back then as to how to pronounce the name, so we ended up calling it ‘The Who Are We’ grin grin

NotSpaghetti Sun 05-May-19 09:12:29

I’ve just read that “BT has has long made use of Huawei's equipment within its fixed-line network, having signed a pioneering contract with the supplier in 2005”
It has, however, been phasing out Huawei parts since it bought the mobile network EE.
I don’t quite understand the reasoning or link between these two statements and have jet to read anything about it.