Danny Baker should be sacked immediately

fizz! Not fuzz!!!

Sparklefuzz I don't think I am being childish. Just thought you might be interested to know I'm not the only one showing the tweet to the general public.

I think sacking might have been a bit hard though. I believe he meant it harmlessly. As I have already said. Once or twice.

That’ll teach you not to go out crazyH.....anyway it’s cold and rainy out there.☔️

No. You are quite right Nonnie.

Oh dear....I go out for an hour and this thread has taken a life of its own......?

Baggs you are hilarious really Not.

Gonegirl whether or not he meant it as racist, anyone in a highly paid public position should know better and behave appropriately. I am reminded of Jeremy Corbyn calling Teresa May a 'stupid woman'. Whether you agree with him or not, in his position he should have known better. I still believe that those in the public eye should set a good example even if that does mean I am out of date.

Gonegirl Look Sparklefizz - the Evening Standard's got the pic too! shockgrin

Sigh ..... Yes, Gone, you're being childish now.

I saw the the pic when I was reading the news online and posted "Shocked" at the start of this thread, which was long before you posted the link .... it's just that I personally wouldn't dream of re-circulating such a horrible comment, whereas you chose to do so.

Interesting that the Beeb has sacked him for lack of judgement. Racism not mentioned by them anywhere.

Bluebell the answer to the point you raise is - I would never defend a racist arsehole.

I think I generally say black unless I know the person is mixed race, If I knew what they called themselves ( as I do with friends and colleagues) I’d use that term. The most important thing is what not to say like coloured or half caste

Look Sparklefizz - the Evening Standard's got the pic too!

Danny Baker

I don't know if Danny Baker intended the tweet he posted as an insult. He says he didn't and deleted it. Other people say he did mean it.

When I saw the picture in question, I just thought it was stupid. New born babies can't walk.

I think that treating chimpanzees as if they were human (dressing them up, etc) is wrong.

Although, to be honest, I did like that PG Tips ad.

Oh Baggs - stop digging now, please. Or at least do a bit of research.

Baggs you just don’t know when to quit do you. Have a ?

Thanks for the responses but maybe I wasn't clear with my question. I do agree that anyone of whatever colour/shade should decide for themselves about their own description. What confuses me is why others talking about people they know of, but don't know, always refer to them as 'black' when they are of mixed heritage.

I know someone very well, who some would call a celebrity, who has the term black used about them all the time but feels very strongly that they are both black and white. They feel that their success is sometimes assumed to be because of positive discrimination when it is not, it is down to sheer hard work for which they don't always get the credit. When we are all expected to be PC all the time surely it is only fair to describe someone as mixed heritage if that is what they are?

mycat I have not continued using that language and the debate on here (mostly) has been very sensible.

baggs can you see over the top of you hole????

To Trisher Baggs and Gonegirl I am truly shocked to the core that you could defend a racist arxxhoxx and see nothing wrong with your views I truly cannot believe what world your heads are in, in 2019 and I am completely lost for words

I can't speak for the others but could you cite where I defended (your word) a racist, please, Bluebelle?
My saying that comparing human babies to other primate babies is not racist when it's not used in a racist way (I gave examples) is not a defence of anything except that kind of comparison, in which, obviously, I see no harm as I compared my own baby to other ape babies. My point is that we are apes too.

You and one other poster also asked me in your shocked and horrified voices where I have been all my life not to know that certain tropes are "common forms" of racist abuse. My answer is: not among people who use racist tropes. I still don't really get the banana one—well, I get that it's used as an insult; I just don't get why. Because white people eat bananas too.

I just do NOT believe him. He knew exactly what he was doing. His behaviour since does him no favours either.

Maryeliza

I Think it’s silly to use such over the top language to be honest.

But that seems to be the fashion to replace proper reasoned debate.

That won’t always work though will it? I don’t describe my black friends as black as in ‘I’m off to lunch with my black frirnd’ But if she was racially abused I’d sure as hell say ‘My black friend was racially abused’ As that would be relevant.

I'll just carry on calling them 'people' I think, maryeliza

Bluebell said "if anyone defends him in any way (they are racist).

I know she did Gone - and the defender usually believes they are innocent and misunderstood. That doesn't let them off the hook - or the person attempting to justify their racist actions.

Sewer/shit/vile racist versus the centuries of hatred, intolerance, violence, segregation, discrimination etc etc etc that black people have suffered and continue to suffer. You can see why the language might become a bit heated.