Danny Baker should be sacked immediately

For what it's worth I think he is an awful person and so is the crowing about him from certain quarters.

Wandering off now........why are people so keen to slag off Remainers/Leavers. Thousands of us are just downright fed up and confused.

Nobody could have predicted this when Cameron stamped his foot. NF is not the answer.

Yes, iam. I get it about DB and football. I was talking in general terms but didn't make that clear.

Apologies trisher.........is it just people who are privately educated and have earned money you are against, as well as racist "shock jocks"??

Sorry that should have read as opposed to "racist shock jocks"

DB is far far far more than a football fan - he’s bff with Gascogne, has been a football commentator with BT Sports, , presented football phone-ins on TalkRadio, presented several football videos, written a book on football, lifelong supporterof Milwall ( as pp). He knows full well about racism in football including monkeys and bananas so Baggs yes he does know all about football.

A tweet dated 7 May from DB has now surfaced which makes it crystal clear that he knew M and H were expecting a baby. So much for his protestations of ignorance as to who was having a baby. Says it all - so yes he did know exactly who he was aiming at with that racist tweet and yes he’s a racist - or more accuratel, a lying racist.

Yes Maryeliza...he is a racist liar

Goodness me!
Rarely, if ever, have I read so many comments (or even articles anywhere else) containing multiples of the words 'liar' and 'racist'.
IMO they're the preserve of a certain sector of society, certainly not one I'd ever belong to or endorse.

Nasty man, I was shocked and sad for people who have to endure racist taunts all their lives. So many ignorant people.

GrannyGravy13 What I am against are privately educated well off bankers who pretend to be what they are not, who ensure their own children are able to live and work anywhere in Europe but want to deny the same opportunities to mine. In other words the only true racist around- the blessed Nigel Farage.

This thread is morphing into a vitriolic shame-fest.

Danny Baker has been sacked.

Enough already!

Morphing into?

Better out than in.

Is it a person's own fault if they are privately educated, trisher? Rhetorical question. Since it isn't then why blame anyone for being so?

I don't think it's a sin to be well off either, though pretending to be what one's not could indeed be annoying.

On the private education front (a wee digression), apparently some parents who send their kids to private schools are getting anxious because Oxford and Cambridge are increasing their intake of clever state educated kids to the detriment of less clever privately educated ones. The parents who object are saying it's "social engineering". Sounds like greater fairness to me if Oxbridge entrance really does depend on school exam results.

Completely agree Urmstongran - how much more is there to say!
I can’t believe people are still banging on about it.

It’s actually a shame as he was and it a funny erudite broadcaster. Has been for years.

Sad idiot

who ensure their own children are able to live and work anywhere in Europe but want to deny the same opportunities to mine

Oh dear. That IS scraping the barrel trisher

I give you Diane Abbot, that well known socialist hypocrite who makes it clear the local comp is not good enough for her son, and with her wealth she funds his education. I would imagine most socialists with money (oh the irony) want the very best for their children too. Farage is no different.

Yes, Danny Baker - silly man at best and racist at worst. Must admit I liked his bluntness, his openness as a broadcaster, (there are so few of them about, most tend to be awful sycophantic egotists) but his tweet was shameful. There can be no excuse for it.

He has been getting away with so much for so long that he really thought he was untouchable.

want the very best for their children too. Farage is no different.
So Day6 you admit that the best for Farage's children is membership of the EU. Why on earth should we leave then?

Day6 What is "ironic" about being a socialist and having money? How much money is a person allowed to have before they qualify for being described as a hypocrite or a "champagne socialist" - what is the ceiling for salary and house worth, for instance?

In my view, provided a person cares about the welfare of other people and their families, doesn't seek to reduce their tax burden by employing expensive barristers to devise schemes that facilitate such avoidance, supports parties which put forward tax policies aimed at narrowing the gap between the richest and the poorest and provide enough revenue to properly support our infrastructure, what else are they supposed to do? No doubt some of them also give to charity (though I am aware that such apparent altruism is sometimes used to justify the "small state" aspiration whilst at the same time seeking to garner public admiration) and ensure anyone who works for them is properly treated and remunerated over and above the average rate for the job.

Conservatives, on the other hand, go out of their way to represent the interests of those who are very unhappy about paying taxes and who use every method available to them to minimise their taxes. Conservative funding is largely made up of these individuals and corporations. That is why Conservatives say that their ultimate aim is to shrink the state so that people pay far less tax - a great system for the better off who can afford to pay privately for vital services, not such a great system for the less well off.

In my view, provided a person cares about the welfare of other people and their families, doesn't seek to reduce their tax burden by employing expensive barristers to devise schemes that facilitate such avoidance, supports parties which put forward tax policies aimed at narrowing the gap between the richest and the poorest and provide enough revenue to properly support our infrastructure, what else are they supposed to do? No doubt some of them also give to charity

Hmm, pretty good description there of me and most of the ordinary people I know. Most are compassionate and humanitarian, whether they vote Labour OR Conservative.

I have never been wealthy but I have voted Conservative. Lots of working class people do. Every single party has an echelon whereby some people work with a motive.

Right now, Labour is a vehicle for the far left Momentum and those favouring Marxism. You say the Conservatives work for the wealthy who avoid paying taxes. Hmmm.

There we have two huge generalisations.

Not all Labour voters are far left and wanting a revolution. Not all Conservative voters are rich and want to fiddle the system to their advantage.

I suspect most ordinary people can meet somewhere in the middle, can't they?

Current Labour policy is not far left. It is just farther to the left than New Labour were.

Champagne socialist here celebrating some win or other by DH’s football team . Obligatory copy of Guardian in background.

Day6

The fact remains that the Conservative Party relies heavily on wealthy individuals and corporations for its funding:

BBCNews 2011:

"More than half of donations to the Conservative Party last year came from the City of London, according to the Bureau of Investigative Journalism."

The Commons Library reported in 2018 the Labour Party had 540,000 members and the Conservative Party 124,000 members, which further illustrates the disproportionate reliance the Conservative Party has on wealthy individuals and corporations for its funding and support.

"Revolution" is an emotive word which is designed to frighten people. Some people want our political system to more effectively represent the interests of the majority of the population rather than a small number of wealthy individuals and corporations. I don't consider that to be a revolution but a progressive step.

You haven't replied to my question as to what you consider should be the ceiling for salaries and property ownership to allow a person to call him/herself a socialist. I feel quite sure that if the membership of the Labour Party was largely made up of poor people it would be characterised as representing only those with a personal axe to grind. In fact, the party contains a cross-section of people.

I am interested to know what, as an "ordinary, non-wealthy person" persuades you to vote Conservative? What areas of our society, both currently and historically, do you feel have improved as a result of their governance?