Confirmatory Vote

It is entirely wrong to say that EU law supersedes U.K. law.

It has absolutely nothing to say whatsoever about U.K. domestic law.

Where is does take precedence is in relation to trade and VAT. But that makes absolute sense or the single market/customs union couldn’t work.

The U.K. has always been the strongest voice in constructing Eu law.

That is the point I was making mycat I can't see any other way forward whichever side of the argument anyone is coming from. I din't think that was a right further than NF! Of course there will be voters who are not happy whichever way it goes. We have yet to ascertain where the majority will vote but of one thing I am certain - they will all claim they won!!

BTW I read that the UK voted through about 92% of EU laws so it isn't a 'them and us' situation. I doubt all of the other 27 voted for that many.

jura I hope you get an answer but don't hold your breath I have been asking leaver for years to give me reasons to change my mind but am still waiting! The question has been known to close down threads though, I suspect because there is nothing left to say

but which one- a concrete exemple please.

jura2

I am being devils advocate.

Rightly or wrongly that’s a perception of millions of people and you would need to demonstrate that Britain’s laws supersede EU laws. You can’t just ignore it you have to practically demonstrate that it’s so.

Which Law or Laws do you want to take back, please?

I ask and ask again, and not a single Leaver has come up with a single one- so it is very confusing, to say the least?

Honestly I don’t bloody know

But I do know that you will have millions of pissed off voters who may go to the horrible right and not Nigel Farrage but really nasty far right.

I guess a fudge would be best which is I suppose what may is trying to do.

Ending free movement and ‘taking back laws’ etc blah

Back to square 1!

But mycat if leave were on the paper and it won how would it be achieved? I think we would still have an impasse.

I think a bigger vote to leave would trigger May leaving and a general election and that’s got to be better than this state of affairs now. Surely.

But Nonnie the majority voted narrowly to leave 3 years ago.

if as have another vote, and I think we should knowing more about Brexit than we did, then leave must be on the ballot paper.

If we don’t that would really be seen as unfair in my opinion and undemocratic

I know we would be back to the start if there was a bigger majority to leave but that’s democracy .

Mycat if leave was on the ballot paper and won would we not have gone full circle and be where we are now? I think it would have to be leave on specified terms.

I agree about the tuition fee bribe which has now been replaced by paying 16 years olds £10 per hour.

I haven't yet heard the figures about EU people coming here but, if they are, then those who voted leave are responsible. I do know there has been a huge number of EU citizens applying for citizenship.

And good for them

Just heard on LBC that there are record numbers of EU citizens living snd working in the UK!

So much for a hostile environment and I guess lots are coming before we leave and hope they can stay.

See I have many friends who voted leave and would again and not one is worn down or fed up just angry.

Dh who was a staunch remainer would consider voting leave in a second vote as he strongly feels what’s happened since the first vote has been lies and deceit at its worst from all the main parties.

I'm surprised that so many of you seem to think that a second referendum (which is what a confirmatory vote would be) is likely to return an increased vote. I don't think that's the case at all but, if it was, at least we'd know that there was still majority support for it.

Personally, I haven't come across any Remain voter who would now vote Leave but I've cone across several Leave voters who wish they'd voted Remain and would do so now given the opportunity.

Slightly off topic but in line with the more general comments about the difficulty in reaching a deal, no-one has mentioned the Irish border and backstop issue which is the main thing stopping some MPs from voting for TM's deal. It's an issue for any form of withdrawal agreement which doesn't keep us in the customs union.

Listening reality, it sound as if the compromise cannot work. The Tories will tie in what they can but they cannot agree to a Customs Union for services because of the extreme leavers who would feel they had lost their version of leave. This means, at the very least because of what that will do to the NHS, which we know the ERG (and Farage) will happily see privatised, that the Labour Party in Parliament cannot vote for it.

What next?

jura2

I used to like him but his disgraceful comments about police lies over the number of Grenfell Tower deaths and his nazi remarks were grotesque and showed a chancer after publicity.

I don’t really understand labours position.

I know they want to hang on to their core voters a lot of whom voted leave but equally cobbling a rotten deal with the Tories would surely alienate both those voters and the new ones.

At least they could spin it as a final confirmation vote now we know more details but it’s on s par with the bumbling of labour front bench and Corbyn.

Although I suspect the upsurge in the labour vote in 2015 had more to do with the tuition fees promised,which have since vanished, and anger at TM fir calling another election in the first place.

totally disagree of your assessment of Lammy

We can only hope that the Labour Party are allowed to get off the fence and support a confirmative vote unequivocally as it has been revealed that a huge number of folk who voted LP in 2017 will not support them in the EU election.

For every ex-LP voter who is defecting to the brexit party, no less than FOUR are defecting to the LibDems or other remainer parties.

Quiz Queen - the referendum in 1975 was after the details had been put to the people. The result was 67% to Remain and 33% to leave. Despite the fact that there were no demonstrations etc, certain people - NF for one - have done their best to cause mayhem in the EU. I would suggest that 52% to 48% in what was only an advisory referendum was not truly democratic.

I can’t see though that leave won’t be on the ballot paper. It really has to be whether we think it’s right or not.

Remain/leave /any deal they come up with.

I don’t agree with yvette either but I do think she is not acting in self interest but what she genuinely believes is right for the country.

I admire her for that whilst disagreeing with her.

Boris and Lammy those types are just out for themselves. No genuine feelings of right and wrong just what’s best for their careers

mycat no I can't. That is why I think there is no alternative to asking us all to vote. Even if they did manage to cobble something together there won't be enough support to get it through so we should be offered a choice of the best they have versus staying put.

quiz but how do you make that happen? We have to face reality and there is no agreement in parliament so what do you suggest. I disagree that it is the fault of the EU but it is what it is. If you were to look at it as if we were part of the EU and another country wanted to leave, would you do anything different to what they have done? I think you would have protected the EU's interests.

Fire if you are right then EC is a very courageous woman. She is standing up for what she believes is right for the country at the risk of losing her job. I think they should all do that. Please could you explain why both major parties are Remain? I don't understand.

Maw I think it's you who are sadly deluded after reading in your post that you want Vyette Cooper to be the Labour Leader, her constituency Pontefract voted 70% Leave in the referendum and feel she has betrayed them she promised to respect the vote and she also voted for article 50 and most want her out, there is a petition to get rid of her. Labour is a Remain Party and so are the Conservatives with liar May ? as PM. The only Leave party is the Brexit Party all the other parties will stitch us up again, we've been lied to and been deceived but won't be again. A big change in British politics is on the way.

quizqueen

I personally agree with your post and we should never have got so entwined in Europe in the first place but we are where we are.

We were always going to get a rubbish deal be cause the EU don’t want others to leave

Maybe we would have got s much better deal than mays as she’s been awful but we do need to be careful of our economy.

I personally think a second referendum will result in a much bigger vote to leave because British people are famously stubborn.