Confirmatory Vote

Yes Petra but being snobby is juvenile behaviour.
I don't know them nor do they know me and people who choose to act that way have issues that I, thankfully, don't have.
I get along with everyone in RL and I'm contented and smiling every single day.

Who are you posting that comment to GG54?

As in I don’t do the social media’s you reference. Nor do I assume others do or don’t

I have never smoked and haven't drunk alcohol since I was 23 and pregnant with my first child which was 52 years ago.
I don't know what you're trying to insinuate but mark my words, any more of it and I'll report you to GNHQ.

GG54
I knew the minute the snobs read the word Lakeside they automatically thought: Thurrock. ???

Me neither !

No Bridgeit, I can't, you see, I don't do sharing with people who have the ball ready poised to hit the coconut. No Facebook, no Twitter, no Instagram.
I'm terribly selfish in that respect.

It’ll be marvellous. I bet 90% of the audience will be over 50 and a sea of white faces. Very Essex. They’ll be smoking outside but don’t worry when Nige is dictator you’ll be able to smoke everywhere again and sod the environment.

IMV there are certain people who like to bring everything they don't agree with, down to the lowest common denominator.
That says nothing about me.
There are lots of 5* hotels which take dirty money from known criminals and celebs who have no class but the people who make pointed references are no better than the people they deride.

Can you share with us which particular attributes of NF appeal to you ?

Well let us know how it goes and what you think. Should be an interesting meet.

We're not eating at Lakeside we're eating at The Berystede in Ascot or, more properly, Bagshot but they're cheek by jowl.

snd what on Earth has darts got to do with it?

I don’t particularly agree with Nigel any more than I agree with Jacob Reece Mogg or Corbyn or Lammy but I certainly don’t judge anyone listening to them, questioning them and engaging in debate.

I judge those so entrenched they prefer their own echo chambers and can’t engage.

That I judge.

well whatever floats your boat Gabriellag. This is the venue for the World Darts tournament too, so should be lovely for all the NF supporters. I hope your leader inspires you with his beery breath and cigar infused bullshit camaraderie. And yes, I am judging you.

Think lakeside country club a tad upmarket for the National front

Hope it’s roast beef on the menu GG and not bloody foreign muck like snails and apple crumble not bloody tiramisu!

Lakeside Country Club , sounds like a nice pleasant place to hold a rally. Pretty safe from being asked awkward questions.

gabriellaG National Front? or Nigel Farage?

It’s so difficult isn’t it because I agree it may have to go back to the electorate but what would be the question in the ballot paper.

As urmstrongran I think rightly says no sensible credible deal can be done between labour and the Tories on this or not one that Parliament would agree.

With the no deal scenario,or really WTO rules, I think it’s gathered support because of the ‘grind you down’ factor.

Isn’t theresa May quite appalling as pm though. What a bloody awful mess we seem to have inflicted on ourselves.

And meanwhile no proper parliamentary business is being done.

Well, I and 4 others have just bought our tickets for the NF ?rally at Lakeside Country Club on Sun 19th. It's going to be great. Dinner and drinks afterwards to chew the fat. ?

To be frank a confirmatory vote fills me with horror and dread, but what other way is there? We can’t possibly impose a decision on 50% of the electorate, it simply isn’t democratic.

There definately is no appetite for no deal throughout the U.K. whatever Farage would have you believe, especially once the voter understands the implication of no deal. But it could be on the voting slip, although the more complicated the vote is the more open it is for either splitting the vote or producing even more division.

I too think the only way forward is a confirmatory vote because there seems to be no alternative. MPs are not going to reach agreement so it has to come back to us. I think it is the only way of healing the country, just a little.

I don't think that simply revoking A50 would be fair to those who want to leave.

I don't think No Deal should be on the paper because a majority of MPs don't want it so it would not be delivered. I think there is little choice but to have the simple, achievable questions, the Deal (whatever it is) or Remain.

The reason I doubt it will happen is because MPs don't want to take sides in case it upsets their electorate. They are worried about losing their jobs. The few who, imo, are more concerned about the country than themselves have already broken away from the main parties. They may be brave or foolish but I think their motivation is good.

Pippa, I agree. They were lies, and no one has been held to account for the damage caused.

The whole focus has been on 'getting on with it' but I've yet to hear any meaningful discussion of how life would, or could, be post-departure. What kind of society do we want to be, with what kind of leaders and what sort of future??? Where are the leaders with vision and imagination and aspirations to build a better society for all?

It reminds me of the couples who spend years micro- focusing on the one day of their forthcoming wedding, but haven't given any thought about how to do "marriage" for the rest of their lives.

I don’t think Labour + the Conservative party will even get to agree a deal, therefore no confirmatory vote will happen.

I have always thought that a confirmatory vote is the lesser of two evils. The General Election that Labour was intent on trying for would just muddy the waters in the same way that the last one did as there are far more issues involved in a GE than just Brexit.

However, a confirmatory vote needs very careful planning to avoid the illegality and fraud that affected the 2016 vote. I don't have any confidence whatsoever that the current government would be able to legislate for a 'clean' vote.