The Brexit Party

Alexa yes he is an opportunist, just like those who con people into putting their savings into dodgy businesses which fail. They hold out tempting (but unachievable) interest rates and fools believe them. There is no quick buck to be made, no such thing as a free lunch etc and no quick fix of all the country's ills but leaving the EU.

Ah but Urmston Brexit is not a political party so has no influence in parliament.

I can't agree about Brexit being a major issue in the last GE because it wasn't for me. Had I known I was going to be labelled as a Brexit supporter I would have voted differently. Imo this is a 'politiicans fudge'. It was different in the EU elections, most of us knew we were voting to stay or leave.

"Who on earth would think (a) the EU would want to give us a good deal - why should they - they don’t want to encourage other countries (maybe Italy) to follow suit" I have said that from the beginning. If we were part of the 27 and another country wanted to leave we would do exactly the same as they are doing to us. I simply don't understand why anyone still thinks they will roll over and give us a good deal. They know that if we are daft enough to leave with no deal they will have us over a barrel. We are already the laughing stock of the world and will have no bargaining power to do 'good' deals with any country.

Esther McVey would deliver it.
She is honourable. She stood down as a Minister (with all the perks) because of her principles.

The men in grey suits won’t vote for her though ....

Maybe she’ll join the Brexit party!

Cometh the hour, cometh the man.

Sure! Farage is an opportunist .

True Alexa but your way of describing it was more condescending.

The Brexit Party say they will make a contract with the British people – and honour it.
And Farage is an honourable man.

The talks went nowhere because ‘no deal’ (or just the threat of it as a negotiating tactic) got taken away!! Duh.

Who on earth would think (a) the EU would want to give us a good deal - why should they - they don’t want to encourage other countries (maybe Italy) to follow suit and think it was going to be easy and (b) TM capitulated then kicked the can down the road because she & Olly Robbins thought their duplicity would win the day.

Cometh the hour, cometh the man. (Or Esther McVey for me).

Different tactics = different result.

We will be out on 31 October. This time opinions have hardened.

Either that, or Revoke (we had the best deal there).

We shall see!

Urmstongran, you said it yourself that populism is caused by frustrated people not being treated fairly.

"Mr Farage is the personification in the UK of a phenomenon being witnessed right across Europe. It is described as populism but is more a reflection of frustration and anger with the way things have been done up to now and a demand that they should be done differently."

But everyone said that the EU would capitulate at the last moment and it didn't happen did it [it's just that the last moment keeps being pushed further and further down the track]. And there still isn't a solution to Ireland. I didn't realise there were going to be more talks? At the moment there isn't even a PM to talk to; May being PM in name only. I can see this country being in a state of national emergency and some sort of 'war cabinet' being formed. Why are leavers not afraid of all this?

Yes, I get it Nonnie the more I think about it. The population is divided so some politicians fudge. Won’t make a choice in the hope of appealing to everyone and bringing them all along.

Well that’s been proven not to be a vote winner. Well done Lib Dem’s for ‘getting it’. They have been Remain since the last GE (although they only polled 7% of the votes then, even promising a second referendum in their manifesto - why didn’t more Remain voters go with them - it might have been the right horse to back).

I think Farage is the catalyst. His pro Brexit & definitive stance has nudged others to ‘come clean’ too.

This will be interesting.

Brexit - one way or another - needs a decision. The EU will not renegotiate and I don’t blame them. They’ve good a good deal (or treaty). No deal it is then. I agree with Esther McVey actually.

No deal.

Then let’s see the talks begin..... and they will. Money (business) talks!

I do actually think that the majority of politicians do want what's best for the country; and that includes Conservative ones that I have never [and never will] vote for. For that reason I still don't think that Brexit is going to happen. What we have had in this country for too long is lack of a strong opposition party; even parties in power prefer to have strong opposition. The LibDems have been sadly missing because, prior to the catastrophic coaltion with the Conservatives, they had always been the jiminy crickets of British politics; I think that role has now gone to the Scottish Nationalists. The far right seem to have somehow joined with the far left. British politics is in a sorry state. But there is no way that a charlatan like Farage is going to make this country better. I despair.

Yes I see you point Nonnie - imagine a politician having to nail their colours to a mast, to make a stand!

Which, by the way, is why I like the Brexit Party!
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Umston I cannot agree with "parliamentarians put their own prejudices above the preferences of the people" because I think that gives them more credit than they deserve! I think they are scared of the democracy of asking the electorate whether to accept the 'deal' or stay as we are. If they did that each one of them would have to state their preference and that is why they (imo) are scared. They don't want to put their jobs on the line by choosing a 'side'. Me cynical? Oh yes.

An interesting read Labaik and I can appreciate some of the rhetoric.

But almost 3 years after the referendum, Westminster has still not come to terms with the grievances that drove the result.

And I’m really sorry but I like Nigel Farage! He is charming, urbane, knowledgable and understands the anger and frustration in this country. Yes, okay he is tapping into it and I dare say he’ll do well financially out of it. He is one of the elites - so don’t they all come up smelling of roses? Remember DC and his ‘call me Dave’ with his ‘we’re all in this (austerity) together line’? We’re not daft. We didn’t believe him but then he promised an EU referendum. We liked the opportunity of that, so we voted him in.

Now?

We just want out. And Nigel vows to deliver it.

Make no mistake, the European parliamentary elections were a huge victory for ordinary Britons and, boy, did we enjoy it.

Millions of us, perhaps for the first time, set aside traditional loyalties and voted for the Brexit Party because we would not – could not – stand by as parliamentarians put their own prejudices above the preferences of the people. How dare they dice with democracy like that!

You can draw a line from the toe of Cornwall to the tip of Northumberland and you won’t ever enter Remain territory.

Outside London, a vast majority of constituencies in England and Wales, both Labour and Conservative, are Leave, while the majority of their MPs are Remain.

Well, not for much longer. On Sunday, the map of our country turned turquoise overnight. Farage played a blinder. Only a fool would think it will go back to red and blue if the referendum result isn’t delivered.
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I don't really want to start another Brexit thread so will put this here. Just seen this on Twitter:

Sky News Breaking
@SkyNewsBreak
A district judge has ruled Boris Johnson will be summonsed to court to face accusations of misconduct in public office for comments made in the run-up to the EU referendum

Gill57 this is what we see time and time again. No discussion or debate, no recognition of anything a remainer posts being correct. Everything is wrong but of course it can't be both sides probably have valid points but the leavers won't tell us what they are and keep complaining that we ask.

Shame Joelsnan that you won't tell us what you 'know'

For heavens sake joelsnan read it. Or are you frightened of the truth?

So you disagree with what the article says then, I assume? I don't think the New York Times is a remainer rag; just a publication that shows us how others see our country.

Oh dear Labiak your post is just more musings by a remainer who 'knows' why (or thinks they do).
Its no good Remainers calling foul over Farage and the Brexit party. Its the Remainers who created this phenomenon by disregarding democracy.

Decided not to go out for a walk - it’s very hot! Mad dogs and all that.... so will sit here in the shade and read that article Labaik

Just the kind of comment Alexa to woo us Leavers round to your way of thinking eh?
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Labaik that about sums it up. Unfortunately we seem to live in a society which reads headlines and not the implications.

Another survey to show how we are walking over a cliff. From the Independent

Brexit fallout sees New York overtake London as top financial centre, according to survey
'Full-blown crisis' over EU exit means Britain is losing its top spot, report suggests
London is losing its status as the world’s most important financial centre to New York because of the Brexit crisis, according to a global survey of executives.
The British capital fell 17 per cent on last year when bosses were asked to name the world's top financial centre, with New York rising 10 per cent.
For the research, consultants Duff & Phelps asked 180 senior figures in asset management, private equity, hedge funds, banking and brokerage.
Some 52 per cent said New York, up 10 per cent from last year, while 36 per cent said London, down 17 per cent from 2018. European centres including Dublin, Frankfurt and Luxembourg also saw higher rankings in this year’s Global Regulatory Outlook survey.
Looking ahead five years, only 21 per cent of respondents expected London to be the world’s financial centre, with 44 per cent predicting it would be New York. Some 12 per cent said Hong Kong, up from 3 per cent last year.

In a statement, Duff & Phelps said: “Last year, Brexit cast a shadow of uncertainty over the United Kingdom’s economy; it has now escalated to a full-blown crisis.
“Looking ahead, however, globalisation’s diffusion of influence begins to be apparent: 12 per cent of respondents expect Hong Kong to be the world’s preeminent financial centre five years from now.”
The survey questioned financial executives in countries including Britain, the United States, Hong Kong, Ireland, Singapore and Luxembourg.
Brexit has already been delayed from its expected date of 29 March, with a new deadline of 31 October. Continued uncertainty over future trading arrangements has prompted some banks, asset managers and insurers to trigger contingency plans.

labaik thank you for that. A most frightening read. I wish more would read it.

My personal opinion is that Farage feeds off the discontent which is a result of years of austerity but intends to use it for his own [and his backers] good; not the people that he promises so much too. I agree that the people of Wales are only getting their own money back but it's because the EU distribute that money amongst those that need it; something that this Conservative government fails to do. Farages main backer deals a lot in insurance and Farage has made it clear he feels the NHS should be replaced by a system of insurance. Bit of a coincidence imo. He just reminds me of a very good [but corrupt] salesperson who always has an answer to everything and it's only when you think on what they've said afterwards that you realise you were being duped. Mrs May had no right to promise people something that was undeliverable; you can't just go ahead with something that will cripple the whole country just to save face. I mean, she messed up the election also and only survived by bribing the DUP.