Horrified by Alabama Abortion law

I am totally with you Mycatisahacker.........of course a baby belongs to it's mum. It cannot sustain life any other way .

It is a deep and powerful relationship. But if an abortion is wanted then it is best to have that option. Though perhaps if people in poverty were helped more maybe some women would not choose to abort.

What we Can do to help stop the erosion of women's rights is to NOT give more weight to religious rights or feelings.
Religion is a personal choice but should not be the basis of laws like abortion.
Also children should be taught same sex relationships are ok and it is terrifying me to see that mus lim parents are getting their way to have this message blocked where their children go to school.

Thats your view. My view is It's not part of your body. It's another person.. human being....baby .. No ifs or buts.
You don't have to be religious to think abortion (killing) is wrong.
Anti abortionists views are every bit as valid as pro. Shouting louder does not make someone right.

No, it's not a view anne - it's a fact. It's not a human being because it cannot sustain life outwith the mother's body. It is a part of her body, just as her kidney is.

Yes, your views are valid. You do not have the right to foist those views onto other girls and women and prevent them from accessing safe abortions.

I don't support the death penalty.

It's an interesting dichotomy that so many anti abortionists do, don't you think?

annepl and agnurse

So you don’t think a human being has an absolute right over their bodies.

I presume you then support FGM and non medical male child circumcision?

Seriously I don’t say this lightly your views disgust me.

its not part of your body

Mmmmm ok that makes no scientific sense you do realise that I presume?

You are right in your view that anti abortionists have a right to their opinions and so don’t have abortions what they dont have a right to is to tell other women what they should do.

You are the ones shouting louder because you want to control other women’s rights and bodies. you are the shouty intolerant voices not the pro choice lobby.

As a theatre nurse I assisted in both abortions and with C sections. If the good doctor now regrets his actions tough!

It’s not for him to try and now heal his demons by demonising pregnant women.

He’s an idiot and worse. And not any doctor I would respect.

I do not support FGM or circumcision.

The fact remains that people do not have an unlimited right over their own bodies.

If you go to a doctor and say, "sever my spinal cord so I can't walk anymore because I believe I'm supposed to be disabled", the doctor has the right to refuse to do that. (This is not a theoretical case. There are people who identify as transabled. It's a thing.)

You don't have the right to defecate or urinate in a public space. You don't have the right to trespass on someone else's property. You don't have the right to swing your arms around and hit someone else in the head. You don't have the right to drive - you have the privilege to drive.

All of these are reasonable limits on bodily autonomy.

Moreover, again, if a baby is part of a woman's body, that means that she has 2 brains, 2 hearts, 4 lungs, 2 digestive tracts, and 20 fingers. It also means, if the baby is a boy, that she is part male.

Oh they absolutely do have rights over their own body.

The analogies you're using re weeing etc aren't relevant - these are not issues of body autonomy. Severing a spinal cord isn't the same - the tiny number of people who request this of their Dr are mentally ill and require help.

The woman doesn't have 2 heads etc - the foetus which is solely dependent on her for its growth has these body parts in various stages of development. They are unable to function however outside of the mother's body.

It is actually OK to find abortion deeply unsettling and upsetting - whilst recognising that it happens and it will continue to happen. Enabling women and young girls to make the choice to terminate her pregnancy safely must be upheld.

I can't see the connection tbh. I could give you my views on both but its not relevant.
I know someone who had an abortion twice because she hadn't finished university. Now that's disgusting.

You can't see the connection between what?

Find it disgusting it all you want. That doesn't give you the right to impose a law on that woman telling her what she can and can't do with her body. I'd find it more disgusting if she then had to seek the help of a backstreet abortionist.

That last post is to Mycatisahacker re fgm etc and saying my views are disgusting.

Imposing laws on women and forcing a return to backstreet abortionists is disgusting. Young girls barely out of puberty and women strapped to tables in filthy conditions, their uteruses shredded by sharp metal instruments, screaming in agony, many dying from sepsis. Yeah, that's pretty disgusting.

I am really having problems following the reasoning of those in favour of this law. Women will have the choice not to have an abortion so why should they not have the choice to have one. The idea that the foetus is not part of the woman's body is unbelievable. If the woman died in an accident, the foetus would die too so doesn't that mean it is part of her body.

This law is disgusting and hurtles them back into the dark ages!! I'm just glad that I or any of my family or friends don't live there!

What’s disgusting is that there’s a godforsaken part of the UK where religious bigots force pain and suffering on women and girls - who would see a 12 year old child’s body torn apart in childbirth. Where you live I think anne. You should be ashamed of yourself forcing your heartless unloving views on others. Thats what I call disgusting.

My view !

Nana mine too

Mine 3 ??

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To use a phrase of my mother's
'I could shake these people till their teeth rattle'!
It won't make any difference of course. They're locked in their illogical and cruel beliefs. Now who else in current life and history think/ thought like them? Oh yes, the Taleban, ISIS, the nazis...

Forced birthers are disgusting. You are a force birther so if the cap fits wear it.

I find it perfectly acceptable for anyone to have one or more abortions for any reason that doesn’t concern me or you or anyone and quite frankly having an abortion so you can finish uni studies and gain a degree sounds a very sensible choice actually.

I just read this on Mumsnet "what has the world come to when the sperm of a rapist is worth less than the rights of a rape victim" ...kind of sums it up !

sorry worth MORE than the rights of a rape victim

Nana me too!

I find your views on Forced birthing as cruel and as vile as FGM.

You would actually force a 12 year old rape victim to give birth? That’s the action of a monster.

Annepl there is a lack of commonsense in some of your arguments.
You are very judgmental to be so concerned about another woman having had 2 abortion before finishing university..... it is not your business.
to me it is that simple.