EU Election Results

Labour

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Blondiescot
I assume that your sneery remark is directed at people who fly with Ryanair.
I was once on a Concorde flight where people clapped on landing.

Well if you vote for parties who specifically state in their manifesto they are committed to leaving the EU and then break those promises I guess that is being disenfranchised isn’t it?

'I expect lots didn’t vote!' ...

and they will be the very ones who will then complain about 'unelected bureaucrats in Brussels'

When are the WTO elections- I keep asking and no-one seems to know - unless .... ?!?

Those who are disenfranchised are people deprived of a vote, like the many EU citizens in the UK who were turned away from the polling stations although they were legally entitled to vote. Anyone who could vote and chooses not to is not disenfranchised, they are opting out of their own volition.

I am however, immensely cheered by the news that Tommy Robinson lost his deposit. He is demanding a recount . I wonder if the one policy UKIP party will just fold now that Farage has formed the Brexit party and taken 5m of their votes? Perhaps this is one good thing to come out of this debacle.

Interesting as well that the number of people who voted Brexit is actually smaller than the number of people who signed the "Revoke Article 50 Petition" (over 6 million).

I suspect people don't vote because they feel utterly disenfranchised.

I suspect the kind of people who vote for the Brexit party are the same ones who clap when the plane lands...

That is surely the point. We've been told these 17.4 million people all knew exactly what they voted for, they were desperate to leave the EU, they insist on a no-deal brexit and if they don't get what they demand, there will be civil unrest.

We've been told that these people want to give the politicians a message because they haven't "delivered brexit". So why, if any of that were true, did two thirds of them not even bother to vote on Thursday?

No idea I can never understand anyone who doesn’t vote.

It’s really odd I think

But why Mycat? I thought there was this feverish desperate need to leave EU? Well that's certainly what Farage was saying. So where are the 12 million, anyone got an idea, other than they ^didn't vote^?

I expect lots didn’t vote!

Varian thank you for those figures, I was going to look up the Brexit party figures, you saved me the trouble. Interesting isn't it? So, where were the remainder of the 17.4 million desperate Brexiteers? We accept that the Tories got stiffed because the leave supporters were very unhappy with the lack of progress, and because the remain supporters were unhappy with the fudge and lack of compromise. Ditto the Labour party. So, on the acceptance of that, we have to assume that the majority of disgruntled Remainers voted LibDem or Green or CHUK and the majority of disgruntled Leavers voted Brexit or UKIP. Only a few party faithful it would seem, voted for Labour or Conservative. So, where are the 12 million or so Brexit votes?

And labour need to ditch Corbyn and make up their bloody minds to support leave or remain

The only thing that is crystal clear is that the country is as divided as ever

40% of the voters chose Remain parties as opposed to 34% voting for Brexit and UKIP. (We can only guess what the Labour and Tory voters think of Brexit).
34% is definitely nowhere near the 52% in the 2016 referendum.
So Leave lost!
Perhaps many Leave voters are starting to realise that Brexit is undeliverable.

What is crystal clear when looking at the figures, is that leave has a declining mandate.

How many times have these brexiters told us that 17,4million people insist we leave the EU? We have just had an election where Putin's well-funded puppets lost no opportunity to hammer home their message, hold rallies for delirious fans and send umpteen online instructions to the faithful to get out and vote, aided and abetted by the right wing media.

How many actually bothered to vote for the so-called Brexit Party?- 5.25 million. Even if we add the dreggs left in UKIP it only comes to 5.8 million, NOT 17.4 million. If all these people were so convinced, where were the rest of them?

The fact is that in countries which have referenda, at least 50% of the electorate would normally need to vote to change the status quo. To get this into perspective, the population of the UK is 66 million and the electorate about 47 million, so our present situation, as a member country of the EU, should never be endangered unless more than 23.5 million voted for it.

Of course little can be assumed about those who did not vote, but, as we are forever being told 17.4 million voters are desperately keen on brexit at any price, why did only 5.8 million vote to make it happen last Thursday?

We can only conclude that the rest don't care enough, if at all, or perhaps they don't want to be taken for fools again as they were three years ago.

Nevertheless Blondie a reasonable percentage did vote for the Brexit Party in Scotland, and as you already know, in your independence referendum the choice was to stay part of the UK.

Brian Cox is an interesting man and an expert in his own sphere, which isn’t politics or economics ( or is there a different Brian Cox?)

urmstongran

Was that on Sky? I missed it was it good?

Nonnie

You do realise that disagreeing with you isn’t actually being nasty? It’s just disagreeing with you.

I saw that on Twitter White and often see him talk simple common sense. But of course some would say you shouldn't take notice of anyone who is an expert at anything.

This makes sense

Brian Cox
@ProfBrianCox

Isn’t the message of the EU elections very simple? There is no unambiguous majority for anything without making assumptions about the Conservative and Labour vote. We therefore need to take our time as a country and work out what we actually want and what is actually deliverable.