The Labour Party

Tom Watson can’t be dumped, the membership voted him deputy leader

I love the ‘pray tell’ jura2 it makes you sound so condescending!
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So (sorry Maw) Corby’s position now is; "we want to leave but we'll refuse to do it the Tory way".

He's not very good at this is he?

So not ‘ remain’ end of .

I received the letter to, he is still more concerned about getting into No 10

Johno- who would do a great job, pray tell ? Tories? Farage?

Free Speech - it means saying ' we were conned, we were sold a very sick pup- and the consequences will be dire for our members, their jobs, the NHS and education- we now know and fully understand this- and we will fight it'

By-passing parliament to avoid citizens now saying the above loud and clear- that would be Democratic iyho?

I have voted Labour sometimes in the past. But I totally agree with your sentiments Johno

Labour is opposed to FREE SPEECH and is duplicitous on the matter of respecting the EU referendum. Tom Watson has, for many years, been the shxtstirrer in the Labour party and a leader with some guts (TRUMP style) would have dumped Watson straightaway. I find any party who constantly seeks to spout on and on about the interests of minorities while totally ignoring the major issues in society, a very worrying situation. God help the UK if LAbour get to power.

I believe some forum members should actually read what Jeremy Corbyn has stated today (09/07/19). In a few minutes of a coffee break I was able to read in full what has been stated in a letter Corbyn has sent to Labour Party members and affiliate members.

Extract from the Jeremy Corbyn letter to members begins here:-
I have spent the past few weeks consulting with the shadow cabinet, MPs, affiliated unions and the NEC. I have also had feedback from members via the National Policy Forum consultation on Brexit.

Whoever becomes the new Prime Minister should have the confidence to put their deal, or No Deal, back to the people in a public vote.

In those circumstances, I want to make it clear that Labour would campaign to Remain against either No Deal or a Tory deal that does not protect the economy and jobs.

Labour has a crucial, historic duty to safeguard jobs, rights and living standards. But no Brexit outcome alone can do that. We need a general election.
Extract from the Jeremy Corbyn letter to members ends here.

The above is a reaffirmation of the Labour Party Delicate Conference policy of "to seek a General Election as first priority, but should that not be obtainable, to then seek a second referendum."

The letter Jeremy Corbyn letter members is a very long way from the Labour Party changing its Brexit policy to being fully in support of Britain remaining in Europe.

Follow this link for a further summary of contents ref letter to members:--
news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-calls-on-next-pm-to-put-deal-to-second-referendum-11759502

MSM reports that Labour will campaign for Remain is not the real picture. Shadow Cabinet have agreed a modified position.
Corbyn's email to members outlines this modified position - which does not commit Labour to campaigning for remain in all circumstances.
While the email says that any deal should now go to the public, it says that Labour will campaign for remain “against either No Deal or a Tory deal that does not protect the economy and jobs” – but does not say the same for a Labour deal or in the unlikely event of a Conservative-arranged deal that does ‘protect the economy and jobs’.

It also makes clear that Labour still intends to agree a positive Brexit deal with the EU, ie respecting the democratic vote to leave.

Corbyn has always been against joining the EU. He was a follower of Tony Benn, never wanted to join in the first place.
And he has a history of stubbornly sticking to his principles even when proved wrong.
I think he's caved in at last under pressure from other groups in the LP. Probably mainly the Unions, which are his main source of funds.

I can't understand why the Labour Party want to remain in the EU! Surely a lot if not all of their fine ideas with the nationalisation of the utilities will fall foul of EU law, as lot of EU countries have an interest in these and other aspects of the economy . How will they get round this?!

Now the Remainer vote will be split (suburban and chocolate box village Remainers voting for Lib Dems and Urban Hipster ones voting for Labour).

Labour has long ago given up worrying about "the working class" (in fact most Labour people seem to believe that class no longer exists) so it is quite right it allies itself with the likes of Goldman Sachs and the City of London to campaign for "radical change by keeping everything the same"

To think about it progressives spent 50 years moaning about "capitalism" but rather than see Brexit as an opportunity for genuine socialist reform instead they revert to type and hide behind the Bildeberg group...

FINALLY Jeremy Corbyn has got off the fence .... and fallen onto the Remain side.

Lib Dem’s & split votes here we come!

Ps therefore I didn't require anything about Kate Hoey to be mansplained, kindly though your intentions may have been.

Grandad the quote about Kate Hoey: I didn't say that, it was another poster.

If something is in italics it means it was a quote from someone or somewhere else, by using these ^ ^ either side of the copied quote
like this
You probably can't do that with voice recognition but it does make posts clearer.

Thanks for the additional information Grandad

GracesGranMK3, the Labour Party along with its affiliated membership is a movement of more than six and a half million members. Jeremy Corbyn, along with others, has brought a much wider democracy to ALL that membership, and that will be his legacy.

Yes, that does make quick changes in policy difficult, especially in these unprecedented times. However, I believe that several motions and resolutions regarding that are down on the agenda for this years conference.

However, no substantial number of requests were received by the conference orders committee making for a recall conference to be convened. That, I feel demonstrates that the grassroots activists are still behind the "General Election First" policy adopted by last Septembers conference.

Anyway, I am now off to the office. See you later.

So still on the fence through July ,August and most of September

Anniebach Quote [McClusky did a u turn yesterday didn’t he ? The shadow cabinet are against many back benchers are for.]End Quote.

Len McClusky is carrying out the policy of the Unite Union as laid down by its delicate Conference and National Executive. That policy has always been as that Union "Remain."

However, as part of the Broader Labour Movement, Unite along with other Unions have accepted the policy as laid down by the Labour Party Delegate Conference of "a General Election First" policy which is as it should be.

I believe the announcement by the joint union General Secretaries that the Labour Party should adopt a "remain stance" was an attempt to influence this year's Labour Party Delegate conference debate on Brexit.

Waiting until the conference, which runs from 21 - 25 September as far as I can see, is pushing decision making/changing very late Grandad. I understand the need to do it following the LP democratic rules but it does make the LP look a bit of a juggernaut which cannot easily make quick decisions.

What is the connection between labour MP’s divided over Brexit and not wanting Corbyn as leader

I cannot see the Labour Party adopting a remain stance or even a second referendum as policy at present. It is only eight weeks until the Labour Party/Movement delicate conference, and until then the "General Election First" policy remains as paramount.

I also believe that the same policy will be re-adopted at the above conference as it has kept the Broader Labour grassroots activist in the country united around that policy.

However, (and as usual) the Parliamentary Labour is divided on the Brexit as it is on several other issues. That is once again due to old Blairites not accepting the election of Jeremy Corbyn as the leader, and others already attempting to raise their profile being that Corbyn has started he is to stand down.

It will be a very interesting Labour delicate conference this year at which I expect to see those that have advocated abandoning last years Brexit policy verbally "torn to shreds."

The above is nothing less than those MPs deserve

McClusky did a u turn yesterday didn’t he ? The shadow cabinet are against many back benchers are for.

McClusky? Shadow cabinet. It isn’t a done deal yet.

The Unions met yesterday and said they must

Looks like Labour is going to support remain in the event if a second referendum or GE.

There is a meeting this morning. We shall see.