The Labour Party

Well that’s fine but the reality says otherwise

I can’t agree maryeliza ,

Like all rules ab and especially in political life, their application depends on so many factors. That’s the reality not a statement of support for differential application.

Be interesting to know what the labour back benchers voted?

Guessing many Lib Dem.

There can only be a yes or no, a right or wrong , a yes/no but’ is not an answer

Is a rule a rule for all or only for some

WW

"pogs you are repeating yourself, please refer to my original answer."
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If I am repeating myself it is your behest WW.

I am answering your question :-

" So I’m unclear what your point to me is? There was undoubtedly tactical voting in the EU elections, we would not have got the votes we did otherwise, that applies to the BP as well. '.
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I have made a valid point, I have given reasoned points if that is not enough to understand my point then I suppose there is no will to do so.

Why do people constantly go back to the same question, when it has already been answered?

And don’t say that I haven’t answered because if you read and digest what I have written you will understand that I consider the reply to be more nuanced than a simple yes/no. So if that is what you want you are doomed to be disappointed.

Whitewave do you support expelling all members who have said publicly they voted for another party ?

pogs you are repeating yourself, please refer to my original answer.

Tom Watson does not want to be leader, he wants the party to return to socialism from Momentumism

‘For the many not the few’, is so hollow

Love lost!

Tom watson has called it a ‘spiteful act’ and called for an amnesty.

He really wants that leadership there’s no lie lost there is there

WW

You are missing the point which is very simple.

If Labour expelled Campbell under the process of ' AUTO EXPELLED ' because as a Labour Party Member he declared he voted for another party then if the Labour Party are using that as a ' principle' in his case then ALL Labour Party Members who did likewise and declare it on public open forums, the media etc. etc should be held in equal distain to the Labour Party.

Likewise those Labour Party Members who advocate ''VOTING TACTICALLY ' on open forums, the media etc. etc should be held equally accountable if it is a ' principle' of the Labour Party that it's members cannot vote for any other party other than Labour and retain Labour Membership.

It is simple, it is either a ' principle' for ALL Labour Members and if not ' Why Not'.

Then again ' principle' tends to fall by the wayside on so many occasions, so easily it appears time and time again.

I think it is disgraceful that Campbell has been thrown out, they will regret it because he is an erudite, articulate man and can fight his own corner well.

I dislike him intensely, particularly for his part in taking us into war and the consequent problems we have endured - however I think that it is ridiculous that he has been thrown out of the LP for one rebellious act as the LP is now led by someone who spent his whole parliamentary career rebelling.

2015 election, Andrew Fisher, senior advisor to Corbyn wrote publicly ‘if you live in Croydon South, vote with dignity, (class war candidate) Emily Benn was the labour candidate,

he wasn’t expelled

But Whitewave why should it be one not all ?

pogs I don’t suppose for one minute you see my membership as part of a cult. So I’m unclear what your point to me is? There was undoubtedly tactical voting in the EU elections, we would not have got the votes we did otherwise, that applies to the BP as well.

I always expect a party leader to be in control of her/his party, but I am sure you are not so naive to expect all labour party members who voted tactically to be expelled, given the numbers it ain’t going to happen as well you know.

MH announced prior to the election, almost certainly in the expectation that he could and probably did persuade other Tory members. AC was asked in an interview after the election and he replied. Now whether he was manipulating the situation I have no idea.

Well said POGS , and yes it is now ‘a cult’

Alastair said he voted Lib, Corbyn congratulated Galloway for winning over a labour candidate, was this loyalty to the party.

Interesting point Pogs. I wonder how many of the young, new members who were signed up and swept along by the Glastonbury Corbyn have now been let down by him and voted LibDem or more likely Green because of his stance on Brexit? Maybe they should all be auto expelled? Would slash the membership that's for sure. I know he is a bit wily, but I like Campbell and I think momentum Corbyn have made a grave error and a public enemy.

WW

In your post you state:-

" That is why I chose to vote Lib -Dem in the EU election, me and more than 2 million other Labour voters. "
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According to the Labour Party you too should be expelled from the Labour Party alongside Alistair Campbell as the official reasoning behind the expulsion of Campbell is what they call. ' AUTO EXPELLED .

Campbell has been ' AUTO EXPELLED ' then Labour should ' AUTO EXPELL ' all Labour Members who have declared they voted for another party should it not?

.What does the Labour policy of ' AUTO EXPELLED ' say about Labour Members who have openly advocated on open forums, the media etc. 'TACTICLE VOTING ' ? Surely that should be included as that is no different if voting for another party is a guarantee to get you ' AUTO EXPELLED '!

Of course this chimes with the thought by many for the past 4 years Labour has become a ' cult ' under the Jeremy for Leader/Momentum Party which is now in full control of the Labour Party and those who sit at the top table with Corbyn

For those who raise the similarity of Campbell and Hesseltine the difference is one stated he was not voting for his party ' prior ' to the EU vote the other after.

As he planned to be.

AC broke the rules Annie even if it was revenge it was justified.

claire short has always been known for her honesty

Actually that’s not strictly true. I knew her from school days and she came from a far more middle class background than she invented for herself later.,

trisher I am defending Alastair because I believe it was wrong to expel him, you are supporting revenge , that is supporting bullying