Labour anti-semitism

Annie is that really the level of your understanding. If so I apologise for expecting more.

So no MP is to believed

POGS surely Hansard would only report what was said, not an analysis of whether what was said was true or not or have I got the wrong end of that particular stick?

Fennel those people some love to hate - experts - usually give their information in a way that tells you why they have looked at things the way the have, what others from all areas of thinking say, and the nuances of the results. It is usually the politicians who pick the bits they want to highlight and ignore the rest. Reading people coming from different original assumptions helps to. I do think it's possible.

That's true POGS - I try to keep an open mind but it's difficult as I have my own personal prejudices.

I think it does exist but only if people are prepared to accept the truth may be in opposition to their own opinion.

I often post extracts from Hansard and even then there are some posters who refute what has been said although it is written verbatim. They continue to believe in conspiracy theories behind what the MP's report.

GracesGran*
'I am looking for "unprejudiced information"'
Aren't we all - I don't think it exists. And I don't mean just on here.Maybe all we can do is to read/listen to as many views as possible and come to our own conclusion.

GracesGran you have never been sensitive, just as POGS
never makes thing up.

I am going out. Hopefully, it was actually worth my time typing my observations several posts ago and someone will just come in and chat it over with me. That would be nice.

I am looking for "unprejudiced information" Annie. Reams of anti-Corbyn rhetoric don't interest me. Actually, pro-Corbyn rhetoric doesn't much either but you do encourage people to try and balance threads don't you, with all the bile you pour on the man.

So who and what has been said in the past POGS that you see as people "playing silly buggers". I have a feeling you are reduced to making things up - possible - I think so.

It seems you are now set on a personal attack - or am I being too sensitive? You have certainly left the discussion to spend your time on having, it appears, a go at me in whatever way you can. I think, if you have something to say, it is best to just say it or everyone will reach their own opinion about what you are trying to do.

I can provide loads of links which would certainly help anyone overcome their lack of information, not links to
vox pox I promise

GG MK 3

" I can try and overcome my lack of information by reaching out and attempting to acquire it. What happens to the obsessively biased opinion I wonder?"
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I suppose you could overcome your lack of information by accepting evidence and not denying what facts are presented. You could return to past threads on the subjects you are interested in using ' search' as I suggested when you asked a similar question before. That is quite enlightening as to what has been said by individual posters who appear to have a selective memory block and think / hope others might forget what they said or playing silly buggers.

As for the obsessively biased opinion I think that is in the eye of the beholder and anybody with an interest in a particular subject, especially politics, could be guilty of that don't you think?

I'm not sure what you are suggesting POGS. I haven't hidden my breaks or my returns. I would have thought the MK3 would have told you all you need to know long ago.

I don't want to "spar", some of the aggression makes me feel physically ill, which is usually why I leave. There are many on here I would never consider 'friends', my friends do not make some of the abhorrent comments I see on here, but they are entitled to make them and it gives us a better overview of society doesn't it?

An intelligent discussion is all I ask for but at least Annie telling me I have to have an 'open mind' has given me the first out loud laugh of the day.

I have noticed yours was a strawman comment POGS. Perhaps, at some point, we will get some more intelligent, unbiased, input. I am still looking for all the unprejudiced information I can get.

GG Mk ' 3'

It is like sparring with an old friend.

I think I can say welcome back without breaking forum guide lines.

You can overcome it GracesGran but you have to have an open mind.

Grandad

Good morning

Your latter posts certainly are in opposition to what you tell others they should do. Very strange. Totally a case of ' Do as I say not do as I do'.

Who has denied the reports of Islamophobia in the Tory Party?

The fact this thread is about the antisemitism in Labour is perfectly acceptable as was the thread entitled 'Islamophobia in the Conservative Party.'

As for Boris Johnson and the ' Post Box' comment I think there are people who did not read his article and believe he was being anti Muslim, anti wearing of the Burka.

Which is unrue!

The ' CONTEXT' of his article was actually backing the choice of Muslim women to wear the Burka or not.

He wrote the article if I am not mistaken when another European country had banned the wearing of the Burka.
I can't remember the latest country to do so but countries that have banned the wearing of the Burka are:-

Austria,
Denmark,
France,
Belgium,
Tajikistan,
Latvia,
Bulgaria,
Cameroon,
Chad,
Congo-Brazzaville,
Gabon,
Netherlands,
China,
Morocco
Sri Lanka.

I can try and overcome my lack of information by reaching out and attempting to acquire it. What happens to the obsessively biased opinion I wonder?

Corbynites balanced ? ?

It is amusing, Johnson is seen as a racist because of his remarks about post boxes ,

Corbyn spent Passover with a group and said he learned much.

They hsve a prayer , smash the state of Israel, f**k the
queen, and prince Phillip, burn down parliament,
full communist. Amen.

I know I am uninformed Trueblue, just as I know others are biased.

My name is not Grace trueblue.

grace an apartheid state is where one group of people do not have equal citizen's rights, like voting rights or are separated from the indigenous citizens. This was the case on South Africa until the mid 1990s.

Are you suggesting that citizens in Israel do not have equal.rights like being made to attend different schools, hospitals & public services? Have you even visited the country to find out what is really happening, or are you informed by The Guardian or Independent

Arabs, Druze, Christians, Behais, Muslims and all races have equal rights in Israel. They have a right to vote, they sit in the Knesset, they can use all public services equally.

Maybe the very religious sects like to run exclusive schools.

What is your opinion on Britain being a Christian country, or Syria, Iran, Pakistan etc being Muslim countries? Do you believe all countries should be secular? If so, your argument might hold if you mentioned these as well.

I think your comparing Israel with what was apartheid South Africa shines a light on your biased- and may I say very uninformed- opinion.

Grandad, it is good to see some balance brought into this discussion. Thank you.

POGS is so right, she and I did have strong disagreements,
I didn’t believe racism was in the Labour Party, it was against all the party stood for.

I didn’t and don’t have tunnel vision and certainly don’t go into denial.

When I knew I was wrong I immediately apologise to POGS. I have never been one to suffer blind devotion.