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Meanwhile in Scotland.....

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Granny23 Tue 28-May-19 14:18:07

With the EU election results for Scotland very different from the results in England, I thought it was time to resurrect this thread.

I understand that 72% of voters chose Remain supporting parties. The SNP had approx 40% of the Scottish votes but under the current UK system that equates to only 4% of all votes cast across the UK.

How long can this disparity endure, when the wishes of people living in Scotland are always defeated by the 10x large electorate in England?

mcem Thu 29-Aug-19 13:53:45

I believe RD swayed quite a few floating voters. Whoever succeeds her won't have the personal following she enjoyed.
Media savvy and eminently acceptable in England to the extent that the idea was floated that she should stand in a safe tory seat in the south and become tory party leader/PM.

She contributed to the return of a dozen mp's to Westminster and I'd guess that Johnson knows that their coats are now 'hanging on shoogly pegs'.

jura2 Thu 29-Aug-19 13:41:52

www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/2483174158580211/

FarNorth Wed 28-Aug-19 18:38:13

Why would RD quitting make it more likely?

jura2 Wed 28-Aug-19 18:25:09

If Ruth Davidson quits, and in view of the current proroguing - surely that will make Independence much more likely, or ?

FarNorth Wed 26-Jun-19 06:21:36

They are not campaigning to the general public, only to Conservative Party members. So of course they are saying and doing things which most people in Scotland find ridiculous.

SirChenjin Tue 25-Jun-19 12:02:22

I wouldn't expect CommonSpace to say anything else grin

Granny23 Tue 25-Jun-19 11:48:49

This from Common Space:

Hunt’s campaign, which saw him briefly tour Scotland in recent days (until Sunday 23 June) saw him advance a single substantive policy – blocking an independence referendum, and being an annoyance to First Minister Nicola Sturgeon. Much of his time was spent drinking Irn-Bru, eating chips and lemon drizzle cake in a patronising nod to ‘Scottish culture’. More time was spent in this kind of photo-oping than presenting any solution to the problems of British or Scottish society

Johnson, laying low in London, has delegated his Scottish campaign to Ross Thompson MP (himself under investigation from his party over allegations of “sexual touching” in a Westminster bar last year) who along with party colleagues Colin Clark and Douglas Ross penned a note to the Telegraph promising Johnson would “swat” the “midgie” of the SNP. As with Hunt, no more thorough or convincing prospectus for Scotland or its place in the Union has emerged during the campaign. In Scotland today blocking the independence movement with a just-large-enough element of Scottish society, in tandem with an intransigent Westminster government seems to be the ceiling on aspiration .

Granny23 Tue 25-Jun-19 10:37:44

Apparently Jeremy Hunt thinks that he can speak for Scotland and that he has his finger on the pulse of the key issue:

twitter.com/Jeremy_Hunt/status/1142704765450821632?s=19&fbclid=IwAR141FWlaDQI2GjRAtZ_yPn3w1XaI3r3ZK_0iD4CPG2Y3gaCsjvVErVDxx0

SirChenjin Mon 24-Jun-19 11:09:12

Plus ca change...

I know some who would vote No, some who would vote Yes and some who don't know. I'm in the latter camp - how on earth can anyone vote one way or another without being in full receipt of the facts on something of this magnitude? This 50% result to change the status quo that we have for referendums in the UK is ridiculous - without knowing what you're actually voting for means you're voting for a concept rather than a reality, and that concept has so many variants it simply causes further division and confusion.

mcem Sun 23-Jun-19 21:56:07

And I know many! From all walks of life too.
Not rampant nationalists but many retired as well younger folk.
From a very active (in all meanings of the word) 85year-old who has been a member of SNP for decades to a 19year-old whose first vote was cast for SNP in the Euro elections.

Teachers, lecturers an architect, a few solicitors, small business owners, a restaurant manager, a highly successful games designer.
I could go on but I think my point is made.
A wide range of ages and occupations, not one of whom dislikes English people but all of whom are disgusted by the contempt that WM in general and abominable Boris in particular have shown for Scotland.

FarNorth Sun 23-Jun-19 21:07:33

I know some, Jane.

Jane10 Sun 23-Jun-19 18:43:18

I don't know anyone here in Scotland who would vote for independence for all the many reasons that have been trotted out time and again.

FarNorth Sun 23-Jun-19 18:15:42

given that Boris et al are not likely to approve the process for a 2nd indy ref

If there is determination in Scotland for a 2nd indyref, the approval of Boris et al won't come into it.

I do know quite a number of Scots who live in England and Wales and do not know of one who would have voted for Scottish independence.

Perhaps that is because they feel no more affected by it than anyone else who does not live in Scotland.

varian Sun 23-Jun-19 18:00:37

And Northern Ireland - so much for the so-called Conservative and Unionist Party!

jura2 Sun 23-Jun-19 17:13:01

It does seem that if BoJo becomes PM- it will vastly increase the chances of Scotland leaving the Union.

Caledonai14 Fri 21-Jun-19 12:18:08

I sincerely hope that mine is read! grin

GabriellaG54 Thu 20-Jun-19 22:40:24

Caledonail4
You're correct, it is none of your business what I write regarding another post that has zero to do with you.
I certainly don't take advice on manners, especially from someone rude enough to point out that the comment I referred to was 3 weeks ago. So what?
Many of us refer to past comments. ?

MawBroonsback Thu 20-Jun-19 22:29:31

What has occasioned this outbreak of hostility?

Jane10 Thu 20-Jun-19 22:22:53

Mawbroon- fear not I have no such expectations!

MawBroonsback Thu 20-Jun-19 22:06:39

Doesn’t cut it Jane10 your rudeness and disrespect for my father's opinions are inexcusable and frankly hard to stomach.
You have NO idea what his breadth of experience was, or to which period it referred.
Enough though, just don’t expect me to take any more notice of your prognostications than you have taken of my opinions.

Jane10 Thu 20-Jun-19 20:23:30

Maw my Dad said lots of things re politics around the country and the world but I would hesitate to bring them to the current 'debate' as they're not exactly bang up to date. He actually foresaw a lot of today's issues but was also a real europhile.

MawBroonsback Thu 20-Jun-19 20:18:43

Well given that you were directly rude about my father’s opinion, is it surprising that I felt personally insulted?
If you had read the post before reacting, you might have noticed that he was not in any way an SNP supporter

Jane10 Thu 20-Jun-19 19:53:38

mawbroonsback my 'rude' outburst is the result of the genuine exasperation that I, and so many of us, feel about what is happening in Scotland.
It's the result of the hellish nationalism that has infested the country since the two referendums. Sorry if you feel personally insulted but the SNP really raise hackles all around the country.

SueDonim Thu 20-Jun-19 18:56:06

Ime, Jane10 speaks for quite a number of people I know in Scotland. She is hardly a lone voice.

I'm not sure the SNP decimating Scotland's education system can be regarded merely as a 'mistake'. It's horrendous what they have done and I am thankful my children just escaped the SNP reforms by the skin of their teeth.

The NHS here is a shadow of what it used to be, waiting times stretching far into the future. Free prescriptions are of no use unless you can see a doctor to get a prescription in the first place. My area has had defibrillators removed so they could be sent to the Central Belt, presumably because their lives are more valuable than ours. There are now no mental health services for young people in this area. They have to travel miles from home, as does anyone north of here. I know of one family who've been unable to access any MH services for their child so they're invoking their American citizenship and are moving to the US, where care is easier to access than in Scotland. I never dreamt of the day I would hear that.

Now, if the SNP had their way, people on minimum wage may have to pay a £500pa Workplace Parking Tax, because apparently, anyone with a car is part of the 'elite'. Given that we've had our one bus service removed, I'm not sure how people are supposed to go to work if they don't go by car. The SNP can't see past the end of their Holyrood-obsessed noses.

This is not the Scotland I used to love so much. As for Boris, like all mankind, he will be but a temporary presence, and if past form is anything to go by, that will be sooner rather than later.

Callistemon Thu 20-Jun-19 18:52:12

The ~Scots have always adventured out into the world - they were great Imperialists

there are many of us living in other parts of the UK. We were never given a say in the 2014 referendum, but I believe that most of us would have voted NO. We are proud to be Scottish and British. I do not think that many of us support the SNP.
I do know quite a number of Scots who live in England and Wales and do not know of one who would have voted for Scottish independence. Perhaps that is because they have a view of the wider world or because they are happy where they have settled elsewhere in the UK and want to feel part of a united whole.