Meanwhile in Scotland.....

... sounds good- or is THAT wishful thinking?

Well Paddyann, I said my area has had a Conservative majority for a significant period of time! That is fact.

You say “Surely any one with half a braIn believes their OWN country should rule itself?” However, the independence your sort talk about does not mean Scotland ruling itself. You want Scotland to be ruled by the EU and answerable to them. They will tell us what we have to do and what rules we are allowed to have! Some f*****g independence! Perhaps you are the one who has only half a brain, if you don’t have the capacity to realise this?? The Union may not always be ideal, but I would far rather Scotland is allied with the rest of the U.K., than Merkel, Macron and their ilk!!

You also say “I wouldn;t want to hand over my income to my next door neighbour and get SOME of it back.” What exactly do you think Scotland would be doing if it was part of the EU without the rest of the U.K.?? It would be doing as it was told, as the number of MEPs we would be allowed to elect certainly wouldn’t be enough to wield much authority! Scotland certainly wouldn’t be anywhere near the “top table.”

You criticise Ruth Davidson, however maybe you are unaware that she has only recently come back from maternity leave, or should this not be allowed?
Sturgeon, however, has no excuse for her betrayal of Scotland. She has been ignoring the essential day to day issues affecting Scotland, in order to prioritise her sort of Independence, which in case you didn’t notice was voted against in a DEMOCRATIC referendum!

Brought up in Scotland but living for fifty odd years in England, I also resent very much being trapped for those years in a predominantly Tory voting rural area in East Anglia
Why on earth would you stay there then?
trapped - surely you had some choice? The English haven't built another wall to keep the Scots in as far as I know.

JohnD “I cannot understand how any one can be INDEPENDANT and remain in the E.U. where you have to do as they say.”

^^exactly!!

On another note, the Scottish people can now learn to understand, how many of the English people felt, when Tony Blair used his Scottish labour members to force through laws, which only affected the English people, and were not wanted by the majority of them.
Ah yes, the West Lothian question - one of the results being the Scottish labour MPs voting for tuition fees, which applied only to England and not to Scottish universities.

Well Paddyann, I said my area has had a Conservative majority for a significant period of time! That is fact

Well Chucky, Unless you live in Orkney or Shetland, your Council area gave the SNP a majority in the Euro Elections! That is fact.

As an Independent Country within Europe, Scotland would have 12 seats in the EU Parliament, would join a block of like minded MEPs, have considerable influence, including right of veto and the First Minister would attend the Leaders summits on an equal footing with every other EU Country,

People have short memories. While they are still raging about the EU fisheries policies they forget that the UK representative on the Fisheries Committee was none other than ............. The Blessed Nigel Farage ........ who, as the records show, failed to attend a single meeting. Thus the UK had NO influence over the final Policy, nobody to fight to protect our valuable fishing industry and when in came to the votes in the EU Parliament, the UK's MEPs were easily out voted by the votes of Spanish, French,. etc MEPs, who had a vested interest in 'our' fishing grounds.

I think people in England don’t realise that a large % of the British fishing industry is, in fact, Scottish.

JohnD “I cannot understand how any one can be INDEPENDANT(sic) and remain in the E.U. where you have to do as they say.”
This is where the fallacy lies - you don’t do as the EU says on 96% of issues - health, education, housing etc etc - you collaborate and agree , take part i deciding about some issues which are EU wide, they don’t “tell you what to do on everything”. Just another eurosceptic myth.

You would be again! You don't really think that the Spanish, French or Dutch etc are going to be out voted by a dozen Scottish MEP's?!!!!
If people are unhappy about where they live, then move, I don't think the UK has restrictions on where people can live!!!!

Collaborate and agree?!!! You bet you do if you know what's good for you! Particularly a small sparsely populated country with 12 MEP's! and you want and need financial support!!

Each member state has a veto.

www.statista.com/statistics/974861/number-of-members-of-parliament-in-the-ep/

If the UK Brexits then their 73 seats will be distributed proportionately among all the other states. If the UK remains but Scotland becomes Independent, RUK would lose 6 of their 73 seats.

Worth noting that Ireland, with only 11 seats in the Parliament has had the support of the whole Parliament in attempts to solve the Irish Border dilemma.

Of course they have, with the approval of the Commission who have used Ireland in the Brexit fiasco, and no doubt will drop them again when it suits, along with the approval of all the other MEP's, if they value their funding of course!!!!!!

Just thought I'd mention that just over 84% of Scots didn't bother to vote for SNP in the latest EU election. Says a lot...

In the EU election about 40% of registered electors in Scotland bothered to vote. Of those, approx 38% voted SNP. This represents around 16% of the Scottish voters roll, so stop telling yourselves Wee Nicola has the backing of Scotland. You Nats are as delusional as she is!

And an even bigger percentage didn't vote for the Conservatives!!!

Very true - it seems that it doesn't matter where the majority live in the UK, we never get the Govt that they vote for.

we vote for

I am guessing the sore Scottish losers of the Indy ref are as annoying to the majority who voted to stay part of the UK as annoying as the remoaners are here.

What a pity people can’t seem to accept a democratic vote.

If Scotland had voted to leave I would say good for them go for it.

They didn’t so respect the majority vote as we should all except the majority vote to leave the EU

Until we stop these ridiculous Yes/No referendums based on a 50.01 majority without a clear, detailed understanding of what it is we're actually voting for we'll continue to have these divisions.

I've been reading this thread with a smile on my face. It's enthralling to hear you battle it out!
I hope our worst fears aren't realised.
I live and vote in Scotland. I'm a remainer but also green and a unionist. This makes me a bit of an oddity .
We can't always get what we want but have to compromise.
I am sad that my aged parents in law will move to England if Scotland votes for independence. They are really scared of the anti English brigade.

That's a shame they feel like that Grammaretto - but remember, there are anti Scottish people in England as well. You get narrow minded bigots everywhere you go.

That is so sad Grammaretto,and very uncomfortable to hear. I was in George Square during the latest SNP march and was horrified at some of the rhetoric in a city that boasts of its friendliness. I was only able to cross to the station with the aid of a policeman. I say,as a proud Weegie, I was not proud that day!

they're looking at Berwick-on-Tweed SirChenjin

I love Berwick and the Borders Grammaretto

My DH and I had a very scary experience during an SNP march too Jangran we couldn't wait to get out.