Project Fear- they said ...

and totally divided ...

Donald Trump's attitude to statesmanship is to aim for financial profitability before all else. The NHS is (as he sees it) ripe for commercialisation and for being turned into a nice little earner for US healthcare busineeses, in which he will no doubt be acquiring major shareholdings, if he doesn't have them already.

He is also very close to acting as a dictator in the country that elected him as POTUS, firing all those who don't fall into line with his own propositions and interests, and bullying his way yo supreme and unchallenged power.

It would not surprise me at all if he succeeded in making British national healthcare into a subsidiary of the incredibly profitable US health industry.

The founders of our groundbreaking NHS "cradle to grave" system of medical care for ALL citizens, whether rich or poor, whether working, unemployed or retired, paid for by the tax contributions of those lucky enough to be fit and working, must be turning in their graves.

"The NHS was created out of the ideal that good healthcare should be available to all, regardless of wealth. When it was launched by the then minister of health, Aneurin Bevan, on July 5 1948, it was based on 3 core principles:

that it meet the needs of everyone
that it be free at the point of delivery
that it be based on clinical need, not ability to pay

These 3 principles have guided the development of the NHS for the past 70 years and remain at its core."

www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/cabinetpapers/alevelstudies/origins-nhs.htm

Problem is kitty, is that we are not in a position to disagree- we are in a very weak position, alone and isolated, with no effective Government, in totally divided.

In June 2016, Pascal Lamy, ex WTO Chief, gave clear warnings about this- but, as the title says, it was called 'Project Fear'. We were in a much stronger position then- then we are now 3 years later.

youtu.be/Z6LVNpfES8k

And, it can only be on the table if we agree.

We obviously would be better off staying within the EU but wringing our hands and starting new threads about the horror of it all, wont help!

Parsely he can do what he likes, he could impose it as part of the deal and we would be in such a weak position we would have to accept whatever he offered. This explains what our situation will be: www.facebook.com/BestForBritain/videos/355252268680554/

Did Trump say that it must be on the table or that it could be on the table? I heard him on the radio this afternoon and I understood that he was saying that anything can be considered in a trade deal. I would hope that the NHS is not included.

Day6 you said It is quite shameful that the gullible will believe this distortion of the truth. But that's what they are aiming for. Is it any more shameful that all the lies and cheating of the Leave campaign? I don't think so when even the BBC is tweeting about this. At least it has some basis and not made up.

Although I was expecting to hear that Trump was going to meet up with Farage my stomach still lurched when I heard it on the news just now. At what point will brexiters admit that Brexit is about privatising the NHS; not saving it. A friend of the family who is an anaesthetist in the NHS is horrified by what is happening at the moment...

The NHS is on the table for a deal. How is that a distortion of the truth?

Woody Johnson, urged the UK to open up its markets and insisted practices such as washing chicken in chlorine to kill pathogens were safe.

US Ambassador Woody Johnson has also indicated that the US will want business access to the NHS as part of any deal. He told the BBC’s Andrew Marr show on Sunday: “I think the entire economy, in a trade deal, all things that are traded would be on the table.” Asked if that specifically meant healthcare, he said: “I would think so.”

Is the US Ambassador scaremongering?

Apologies that should be "Health care suppliers" not "pharmaceutical companies" in my above post.

From the Guardian 23.12 3rd June 2019
The US president, Donald Trump, has talked up the possibility of a post-Brexit trade deal between Washington and London during his state visit. Trump claimed talks were already happening after his ambassador made clear the US would expect to be allowed business access to the NHS as part of any deal.

Day6, we all know that trumps office minions do whatever Trump instructs them to do with no argument whatsoever as they have to, or like many of their predecessors be "out the door".

As he has been prepared to take on the Chinese Government and the world in regard to Huawei, then he will have no second thoughts about similar action with a very much smaller nation and Government.
Trump will be telling those minions to inform the British negotiators that they have to be prepared to allow United States based pharmaceutical companies to compete for business in a reformed "commercial British Health Care system."

And Farage will no doubt find words to agree with that.

In the interest of not generating fear, tell us scaremongers then why the NHS is even ON the bloody table in the first place. There can be only one reason, and that's because it's going to be part of the trade deal. There can be no other reason.

Farage is on his way to visit Trump now.

Day6, do you really think now that Corbyn will have any say?

Sorry kitty- but really, NO. The UK is in NO position to trade and negotiate equitably and in a position of strength- I would have thought that is becoming increasingly clear to most. The EU as a solid block have a much better chance.

Should one of the ERG become Prime Minister - as is likely to happen, surely you can see what could happen.

It is Kitty.

It's a good sound bite for the fear-mongers to propagate. It will run and run....

It is quite shameful that the gullible will believe this distortion of the truth. But that's what they are aiming for.

Wait for Corbyn's pronouncement, any time soon.

Obviously, he would like the NHS to be on the table and the PM and 'potential' PMs are saying that it wont be.

This thread is generating fear - or trying to.

If it is not true why are the candidates for PM falling over themselves to say they won't let it happen? Of course we all know they will say what the have to to get elected but will they stick to it?

I don't think it at all likely that the whole NHS would be sold off but should NF get his way we will have an insurance run NHS and of course all the American private hospitals will buy in to that and perhaps insurance companies too.

Perhaps we should look at the title of the thread and think about it?

Day6 Quote [Ha ha ha ha ha. Now that is scaremongering.] End Quote.

Day6, privatisation of the NHS for a trade agreement with the United States is not "scaremongering", after all the President of the United States has now stated that.

So, that's is the official government position of the US regarding Britains NHS if we wish for a Trade deal.

Simple as that.

In his. Press conference with Theresa May, Trump said (it is on video) that everything will be on the table and, when pushed, agreed yes, the NHS too. May tried to mitigate this and talked of negotiating. The worry is that we will be desperate for trade deals so might have limited bargaining power to protect the NHS.

I cannot be the only one to smell a rat and think left wing distortion is again working overtime regarding Trump and the NHS.

This thread is proof enough.

So Jura, give me the FACTS please. You are suggesting the NHS will be controlled by, or sold to the USA.

This is a rumour put out by left wingers whenever they get a chance to scare the public.

Please point me in the direction of a link please, which suggests Trump will not deal with us unless America buys off the NHS.

Thank you.

(Oh and I agree. about Trumps dealings, but the actual president will NOT be doing any dealing, will he? His minions and advisors will do trade deals,

Not only that, we already trade with the USA. ..

"Its top imports are Cars ($45.5B), Gold ($34.3B), Crude Petroleum ($19.1B), Refined Petroleum ($18.3B) and Packaged Medicaments ($17.6B). The top export destinations of the United Kingdom are the United States ($45.2B), Germany ($38.6B), the Netherlands ($24.9B), France ($24.8B) and China ($21.9B)"

and

"The US is a major trade and investment partner for the UK - by some measures the biggest of all"

Nigel Farage is seen going into the American Embassy today (04/06/19) obviously to have a private meeting with Donald Trump while he is visiting Britain.

No doubt Farage will be thanking Trump for launching the "end the NHS for Brexit" campaign.

Taking back control, they say.

Here are two different interpretations of the US negotiating objectives:

blogs.sussex.ac.uk/uktpo/2019/03/05/the-us-negotiating-objectives-for-the-uk-us-trade-deal-clearly-put-america-first/

brexitcentral.com/what-do-the-american-negotiating-objectives-mean-for-a-future-us-uk-trade-deal/

Personally I don't think it sounds very promising, but judge for yourselves.

Oh Day6, if only, if only.