Project Fear- they said ...

Watching our country disintegrate is like a slow creeping death. All the gains of post war Britain are being gradually eroded so that the less fortunate will become even more without. The Market isn’t the solution now and it never has been for the majority of the population. Now we look as if we are on the road to being the next state of the USA.

Yes, it is certainly a fearful future for many, me included

Here is what Dr Paul Hobday says in video about our NHS and how you can help.

m.facebook.com/watch/?v=430391804360355&_rdr

It is very worrying but not unexpected.

Not a lot of comments from leave supporters so far? This disaster is exactly what many ',experts" were talking about and they were dismissed. Just what will it take for people to realise this is a huge mistake? We keep being assured by Brexit supporting politicians that people knew what they were voting for, so did anyone on here vote for a privatised NHS? Makes Johnsons red bus lies even more so.

Someone commented recently that we are signed up to over 700 trade deals of various kinds through the EU and we will have to make a decision to renegotiate or leave everyone.

How long does it take to negotiate a trade deal? And how long will it take to reconsider and renegotiate anything up to 700

as many of us expected- Trump has made it clear today that privatisation of the NHS must be on the table as part of a Trade Deal.

What?

I haven't read that. Really? Dealing involves a two way exchange.

We can say no. If it's not a deal then it's bribery, and he would be called out on that, surely?

I shall look for links.

Is this a fact, or some Remainer scaremongering? Could you point me to a link please?

This disaster is exactly what many 'experts" were talking about

Can you confirm GillT that 'this disaster' IS a fact please.
I am very surprised I haven't seen the 'breaking news'

How long does it take to negotiate a trade deal?

The answer to that might well be "How long is a piece of string?"

The 'experts' I follow usually reckon it in years. I suppose it depends on how desperate one of the countries is to do the deal. Of course, being desperate puts a country at a disadvantage in negotiations. I really can't see that countries that already have a deal with the EU market of 500 million people are going to be falling over themselves to do a deal with a country that has only 65 million potential customers. Certainly not on the same terms...

Well, Donald Trump certainly told all in the UK that the NHS is the price Britain will have to pay for any trade deal with the United States.

I wonder how those that support Brexit and the Farage dictatorship known as the Brexit Party have to say about that. Farage has many times demonstrated in his past words and deeds that he has little regard for the NHS.

So far I have read that "The NHS is on the table" in relation to the USA being able to provide life saving drugs for patient uses at cheaper prices. A saving to the NHS.

Hmmm. A different perspective.

Perhaps this might be a good place to repost the 2016 interview with the former head of the WTO:

twitter.com/brexitjoke/status/1135487494932312065

I think he'll know a thing or two about trade negotiations

Well, Donald Trump certainly told all in the UK that the NHS is the price Britain will have to pay for any trade deal with the United States.

Ha ha ha ha ha. Now that is scaremongering.

And which prime minister or secretary of state for health is going to be the one to sell it off then.

This is definitely a popcorn moment as the Project Fear machine cranks up again.

Trump's idea of a negotiation is the other parties to the deal doing everything his way.

Oh Day6, if only, if only.

Here are two different interpretations of the US negotiating objectives:

blogs.sussex.ac.uk/uktpo/2019/03/05/the-us-negotiating-objectives-for-the-uk-us-trade-deal-clearly-put-america-first/

brexitcentral.com/what-do-the-american-negotiating-objectives-mean-for-a-future-us-uk-trade-deal/

Personally I don't think it sounds very promising, but judge for yourselves.

Nigel Farage is seen going into the American Embassy today (04/06/19) obviously to have a private meeting with Donald Trump while he is visiting Britain.

No doubt Farage will be thanking Trump for launching the "end the NHS for Brexit" campaign.

Taking back control, they say.

So Jura, give me the FACTS please. You are suggesting the NHS will be controlled by, or sold to the USA.

This is a rumour put out by left wingers whenever they get a chance to scare the public.

Please point me in the direction of a link please, which suggests Trump will not deal with us unless America buys off the NHS.

Thank you.

(Oh and I agree. about Trumps dealings, but the actual president will NOT be doing any dealing, will he? His minions and advisors will do trade deals,

Not only that, we already trade with the USA. ..

"Its top imports are Cars ($45.5B), Gold ($34.3B), Crude Petroleum ($19.1B), Refined Petroleum ($18.3B) and Packaged Medicaments ($17.6B). The top export destinations of the United Kingdom are the United States ($45.2B), Germany ($38.6B), the Netherlands ($24.9B), France ($24.8B) and China ($21.9B)"

and

"The US is a major trade and investment partner for the UK - by some measures the biggest of all"

I cannot be the only one to smell a rat and think left wing distortion is again working overtime regarding Trump and the NHS.

This thread is proof enough.

In his. Press conference with Theresa May, Trump said (it is on video) that everything will be on the table and, when pushed, agreed yes, the NHS too. May tried to mitigate this and talked of negotiating. The worry is that we will be desperate for trade deals so might have limited bargaining power to protect the NHS.

Day6 Quote [Ha ha ha ha ha. Now that is scaremongering.] End Quote.

Day6, privatisation of the NHS for a trade agreement with the United States is not "scaremongering", after all the President of the United States has now stated that.

So, that's is the official government position of the US regarding Britains NHS if we wish for a Trade deal.

Simple as that.

If it is not true why are the candidates for PM falling over themselves to say they won't let it happen? Of course we all know they will say what the have to to get elected but will they stick to it?

I don't think it at all likely that the whole NHS would be sold off but should NF get his way we will have an insurance run NHS and of course all the American private hospitals will buy in to that and perhaps insurance companies too.

Perhaps we should look at the title of the thread and think about it?

Obviously, he would like the NHS to be on the table and the PM and 'potential' PMs are saying that it wont be.

This thread is generating fear - or trying to.

It is Kitty.

It's a good sound bite for the fear-mongers to propagate. It will run and run....

It is quite shameful that the gullible will believe this distortion of the truth. But that's what they are aiming for.

Wait for Corbyn's pronouncement, any time soon.

Sorry kitty- but really, NO. The UK is in NO position to trade and negotiate equitably and in a position of strength- I would have thought that is becoming increasingly clear to most. The EU as a solid block have a much better chance.

Should one of the ERG become Prime Minister - as is likely to happen, surely you can see what could happen.