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Labour wins Peterborough

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GracesGranMK3 Fri 07-Jun-19 07:43:15

I had missed the headlines when I switch on the radio this morning but there they were interviewing the man of the past again - Nigel Farage. To find out what had happened I had to go on-line.

I do think the BBC have been overwhelmed by the snake oil selling of Brexit. Yesterday I watched more of the anniversary of D Day and couldn't help but wonder why about a third of our country - those who actually voted to leave the EU - are so unpatriotic and backward looking.

Day6 Fri 07-Jun-19 17:27:26

Well done Peterborough for fighting off the fascists!!

Blimey. Now Leavers are fascists! hmm

I knew it wouldn't take long for the hard left to call everybody and anybody who doesn't subscribe to Corbyn's hard left Marxism a 'fascist'.

They bandy the word 'fascist' around with such nonchalance. If only the hard left could see themselves - the most aggressive, hate-filled bunch of supporters there are at present.

And Labour won the seat by a whisker and installed yet another MP embroiled in anti-Semitic nastiness.

www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/104405/jewish-labour-movement-calls-party-suspend-new

Posted On: 7th June 2019

Labour is facing calls to suspend its new MP for Peterborough amid a row over anti-semitism - just hours after she was elected

GrannyGravy13 Fri 07-Jun-19 17:27:34

Nonnie I agree, as a “leaver” I am frustrated.......but I cannot see the UK leaving now.

The longer it drags on the more divided the UK becomes.

Whatever the final outcome I hope the “losing” side can be gracious and we can move forward.

varian Fri 07-Jun-19 18:12:47

For at least two years surveys have shown that the majority of the UK public want to remain in the UK.

This is not surprising because we now know three important things that were not obvious three years ago -

1 - The fraudulent referendum was won by lies, foriegn interference and cheating.

2 - Any kind of brexit will damage our country, by inflicting harm on our economy putting many out of work , reducing the money we can spend on the NHS, education, social care, security, defense and everything else, compromising our security and reducing our place in the world from an important influential member of the world's largest and most powerful trading bloc to an insignificant small third rate country scrabbling for any kind of trade deals it could get.

3 - A "no-deal brexit" would be utterly catastrophic, something described by Minette Batters, leader of the NFU as "Armageddon" and according to a woman just elected as a brexit "party" MEP as something which would damage us for at least thirty years but "would be worth it".

In the light of this knowledge which none of us had in 2016, the only responsible course is to Revoke Article 50 while we still can and Remain in the EU on our current advantageous terms.

GillT57 Fri 07-Jun-19 18:27:09

day6. I agree that the word fascist is bandied about and overused but can j point out (again) that not all of us who consider Brexit to be a potential economic and social catastrophe are rabid hate filled lefties. Quite the opposite in my case. My understanding and grasp of economics lead me to vote remain, not my political beliefs.

crystaltipps Fri 07-Jun-19 18:28:06

Brexit Party is not really a “new” party is it? It’s just UKIP Mark 2 - same policy, same leader, same voters.

Urmstongran Fri 07-Jun-19 18:32:28

Not quite.
I wouldn’t have voted UKIP.
But I happily voted for the Brexit Party in the EU elections.

Tommy Robinson (Yaxley Lennon as was) of Irish descent is altogether too racist for my vote.

varian Fri 07-Jun-19 18:39:59

"Happily voted for the brexit party"????? Why?????

Urmstongran Fri 07-Jun-19 18:47:55

Because after 3 years of waiting for progress over Brexit the BP promise to deliver it. Finally! Support for NF is the beginning.
?

quizqueen Fri 07-Jun-19 18:52:01

I was very disappointed that the Brexit Party didn't win the Peterborough seat. However, it's called democracy so I WON'T be whining that the people of that city didn't know what they were voting for, neither will I be calling for a second people's vote or saying they must have been stupid to have voted in a Labour candidate, especially one who had made anti-Semitic remarks, I shall just accept that my preferred candidate lost and accept the result!

petra Fri 07-Jun-19 19:08:34

Has anyone else seen the photo of Tariq Mahmood standing by the count at the Peterborough by election?
He was jailed in 2008 for vote rigging ( for labour) in the Peterborough council elections. At the time he was a local Labour secretary.

crystaltipps Fri 07-Jun-19 19:28:37

Well as BP has exactly same leader and single policy as UKIP and the same voters it’s just the lite version of the same thing. Farage dumped UKIP when some of the extremists members began infighting and tweeting unsavoury messages so by forming UKIP2 he could take unilateral control and by having no members and “donations” he could decide how to spend the dosh. However, if he wants to challenge every seat in the next election he’ll have to find a few half decent candidates. The one in Peterborough seemed a nice but dim type who claimed the EU told us what we had to teach in schools and what exams children had to take. He seemed genuinely surprised when he was told that education is domestic policy and nothing to do with the EU.

GillT57 Fri 07-Jun-19 19:55:48

Although I am delighted and relieved that Brexit Ltd did not win thePeterborough by election I am also displeased that Labour won, I would have been happier if the LibDem or Green party had won Corbyn and the senior team are conveniently failing to mention that the reason for the by election in the first place was the criminal behaviour and conviction of their previous incumbent. It would have been more appropriate to acknowledge the win,regret the reason for the by election and gracefully move on. There was no need for the victory speech.

varian Fri 07-Jun-19 19:56:32

UKIP had members who were entitled to vote. That is normal in a democratic party. Unfortunately the members did not always vote the way their leader, liar Farage, wanted them to vote, so he jumped ship and has now set up the "brexit party" which is not a democratic party but a private company where "supporters" sign up, pay £25 and have no say in anything.

These fools give their money to liar Farage but can't decide on the policies, the leadership, or the candidates of this so-called party.

I have never, ever, suggested that all those who voted leave in 2016 are stupid but how stupid would you have to be to sign up to that?

Callistemon Fri 07-Jun-19 20:07:08

petra no, I didn't see that! Interesting that he had was there - surely not up to old tricks? shock
quizqueen I hadn't realised that the new MP had made anti-Semitic remarks - not a good beginning, is it.

Do Labour not learn from their mistakes?

GillT57 I agree although didn't Peterborough vote brexit so that would have been a very surprising result.

Callistemon Fri 07-Jun-19 20:08:18

Gobbledegook, sorry petra!
Interesting that he was there

GillT57 Fri 07-Jun-19 20:28:16

Yes callistemon. Peterborough voted 61% leave in the referendum so it was i suppose unlikely voters would go for remain parties. Still delighted that Brexit Ltd got beaten though.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 07-Jun-19 20:31:51

Apparently there were a disproportionate number of postal votes in Peterborough which are/maybe up for scrutiny depending on what newspaper you read!!

varian Fri 07-Jun-19 20:39:29

You can be pretty sure that the brexit voters were reading the Daily Mail, Express, Telgraph or Sun, all owned by billionaires, but not "elites" (according to liar Farage) who do certainly not have this country's best interests at heart. If in doubt check it out.

Callistemon Fri 07-Jun-19 20:40:02

Interesting!
Surely there were no shenanigans!

jura2 Fri 07-Jun-19 20:43:37

GilT57- Corbyn's response was almost hysterical ...

petra Fri 07-Jun-19 21:16:33

Callistemon
69.4 % were postal votes. I don't know if that's high or not on the national average.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 07-Jun-19 21:24:18

Varian what newspapers or media outlets would you advise us to peruse?

Callistemon Fri 07-Jun-19 21:30:57

That sounds extraordinarily high, petra, isn't the average nationally about 22%?

Callistemon Fri 07-Jun-19 21:32:19

He seems to be rather over-wrought lately, jura, perhaps he needs a break.

Callistemon Fri 07-Jun-19 21:34:27

How can you be sure, varian, has someone conducted a post-election poll?