Boris. Oh Good that why I'm a Tory.

cycle thankyou for that link. I knew I’d read it somewhere but couldnt find it again.

Cheers?

I suspect (and hope) that if I used Johnson’s racism and sexism on this site, I’d have my comments moderated out. A reminder.

I don't mind Whitewave any publicity about Tory nasties: good publicity

Oops - wrong link. Try this. or this.

It’s not about police, nurses getting pay rises it’s about having enough of them in the first place. Cuts in public services mean fewer police on the streets, fewer nurses etc. But if rich people pay less tax that’s fine ( for them) and if people who aren’t rich vote for this then more fool them.

If you are also happy that the intention that the poor will pay for it as a much larger % of their salary, then frankly I would question your moral standpoint.

But the same side of that coin is that the lowest paid would also see less in their pockets when Corbyn taxes the country to death to pay for his Marxist Utopia. It ain't going to happen.

Tax loopholes need to be closed and a body set up to ensure that each and every huge business pays its fair share of tax. Oh but Corbyn is going to fund Uni places and cut student debt too (as a vote winner - nothing like gullible young voters)

One has to wonder who will be hardest hit in Corbyn-Land. I suspect it will be those on life's treadmill, doing their utmost but getting nowhere fast. (IE: Workers who aspire to better but struggle to get there.)

At least the Conservatives have ensured that the lowest paid and those on low incomes pay little or no tax. That is conveniently forgotten by Corbyn devotees.

But,but, but, we are discussing the government, of which one candidate has indicated that he intends to reduce tax for the wealthy.

I think for you to be taken seriously day6 you need to provide evidence.

,*day6*. To talk about what ifs and buts and wherevers of a Corbyn administration is typical right wing diversionary tactics.

Just because you don't like the Tories and their " I'm all right Jack" doesn't mean you love Corbyn.

Surely to God , we have moved on from that.

Sky News question to an MP supporting Johnson.

Q-why are you supporting BJ?

A- because he is a man of principle

I’ve just spluttered my coffee.
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Next remark

“BJ is known throughout the world”

Dear oh dear these people can’t be real.

I agree with Lucky taxes need to increase especially for high earners, and I am one, to pay for the NHS and social care. There isn’t a politician who will dare unfortunately. Boris knows he will never get his proposal through but it is a vote catcher in the same way he promised 350 million a week to the NHS. He is absolutely no integrity but I fear he will be our next prime minister.

Has not is!

Right now these candidates are pitching to, firstly Tory MPs, and secondly to Tory Party members, most of whom are likely to have incomes well above the average, hence the promises of tax cuts for the wealthy.

Glad i dont vote. It makes interesting watching but i dont care for anyone in politics. When i did vote i stuck a pin in

ethel as good as anything with this lot.

Whitewave - "one candidate has indicated that he intends to reduce tax for the wealthy" - I don't think people earning £50K to £80K would class themselves as "wealthy". £50K is a good salary, but hardly life-changing these days, and certainly not in the "wealthy" bracket. Many young hard-working parents are in this bracket, they have enormous mortgages and young families, and pay huge amounts for nursery places. They are definitely not "wealthy". I think BJ has got it spot on.

Opal I agree here in the SE £50,000
doesn’t go far.

Well good for you opal
all my family are in that higher tax bracket and all consider themselves both fortunate and wealthy compared to those who are not so fortunate. Not that of them would willingly take the thirty pieces of silver whilst in the full knowledge that they would do so at the expense of the poor. Indeed we are all of like mind that we would be fully willing to pay extra tax in order to right the wrongs done by this immoral government.

Just saying “ it doesn’t matter what the tories do, cos Corbyn would be worse” is a load of whataboutery. Just because we criticise the tories doesn’t mean we support Corbyn.

GG54 - I think your deleted word (crass) is more appropriate

There is an interesting and amusing piece by Polly Toynbee in yesterday's Guardian entitled "Behold, the Tory leadership candidates: all in denial, all in dreamland". It is also a sad indictment of the present state of the country.

Interesting points about income. According to the ONS, median income was £28,400 in year ending 2018. I suspect that many of us under-estimate how wealthy we are, compared to others.

This piece has some interesting information about the estimated cost per household of the Brexit vote (£900), and the increase since 2012 in jobs paying below the living wage. I used to earn more than £50K and, even in London, felt very well off, but my daughter had left home by then and my partner is still earning. But I think we should pay more tax: I'd rather pay more than see the safety nets and the NHS disappear. I feel so sorry for young people today, having to pay for all the things I was able to take for granted (including no hassle travel to Europe and opportunities to work there if I'd wanted - all gone now).

My eldest GS has just finished his A levels. He is a high achiever and wants to do electrical engineering in particular robotics, but he is totally unable to make up his mind because he is worried about the level of debt he will have at the end of a degree. He is the sort of person that saves for everything he wants and would never dream of any debt.

No doubt daughter will assist him in his decision but it is hard.

We never had that worry.

"I don't think people earning £50K to £80K would class themselves as "wealthy". "

I would ! Perspectives perspectives