Preparing for No Deal

fire racker are you aware that, that information concerning medicine shortage and food shortage is direct from government cabinet papers? Are you saying that the government is operating on scaremongering?

It is time leavers owned this situation and faced up to what they have voted for. Denial is a pretty useless course when the truth is staring you in the face.

All about WTO

Debunking WTO, and what "trading on WTO terms" really means...

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The EU are preparing for no deal by advising businesses to get out of the U.K. we aren’t preparing for it in any effective way.

firecracker I am concerned for the future employment prospects of my adult children, of my extended family and of others who did not vote for this. We are not all selfish retirees you know. Oh by the way as someone who is enthusiastically embracing this catastrophe, did you see the small print on the ballot paper? The clause about losing jobs? Andrea Leadsom has assured us that everyone knew what they were voting for. Do I assume that you are happy for thousands to lose their jobs ? Why?

Don’t bother asking that question as you’ll get accused of scaremongering gill. Andrea Leadsom is as deluded as the rest of her ilk.

GabriellaG54 and Firecracker
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ah thanks for that answer GG54 - very comprehensive, eloquent, intelligent and a real, sensible, balanced argument. Feel so much better now

“Leavers must learn to own this as they voted for it. Whatever happens the blame will be at their door.”

I’m happy to own it!
And who says it’ll be about ‘blame’?

You can thank us soon enough just as likely!
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urmonstongran. I will never ever thank you for causing the division in this country, for making a decision without knowing what the implications would be, for allowing the right wing faction of the Tory party to think they have a mandate to push their punishing policies. And for then telling me to get over it.

JUst read MasieDs link. Very clear and informative - if any of you haven't read it it's a must-read! Thanks for posting.
It is obviously written from the POV of someone who is anti WTO. I'd be interested if any remainers could post a link to a similar article explaining the benefits of leaving under WTO terms.
I'd also like to know how services are affected under WTO, as I believe that services are, by far, our biggest export. Anyone know?

GG54 - 13 June - 08.53

There speaks a true Thatcherite. Where would be be without Florence Nightingale or the Suffragette movement for example. They didn't act just for their immediate family.

The President of the Royal Society explains why he signed the Revoke Article 50 petition:-

"The science community was overwhelmingly in favour of remaining in the EU. That position was adopted by analysing the available evidence. UK science has benefited hugely from being in the EU. Science has always been international because it depends on a rapid and thorough exchange of ideas and expertise. This exchange was enabled by freedom of movement. We have also benefited from sharing rules and regulations that allow NHS patients to access trials of cutting edge treatments and technology, which the UK is simply not big enough to deliver on its own. And UK science has also been a net financial beneficiary.

Amidst the political chaos, it is astonishing that the idea of a 'no-deal' Brexit is still touted as a viable alternative by some politicians. Parliament has voted against it, employers and unions have said it will cost jobs and be hugely disruptive, yet somehow the idea persists.

The uncertainty and disruption caused by a 'no-deal' Brexit would be disastrous for UK science."

www.scientistsforeu.uk/royal_society_president_article50petition

WTO rules barely cover services, such as financial. There is nothing in the rules that would allow British banks to continue to trade across Europe. According to the FT (Jan 7 2019) nearly banks had moved nearly £800 billion in staff, operations and customer funds to Europe. Germany and France are waiting with open arms for these businesses.

Interesting Demographic statistics

90% of 18 year olds are for Remain

90% of 90 year olds are for Leave

The balance cut off point was 45, 3 years ago

it is now 51, so it has jumped 6 years in 3 years.

Young people will never forget nor forgive.

I’ve just learnt something that I hadn’t appreciated.

Johnson and other no dealers are saying that we can no deal and keep back the money.

Well apparently this money was agreed by us as part of existing contacts entered into by us (which I knew) but what I hadn’t appreciated that if we say “not paying” all existing contracts will stop. So we will half built roads, bridges, flood defences etc etc.

Doesn’t get any more saner does it?

Asked a relative recently what all his grandchildren feel about Brexit. His reply was 'ah well, they are all for Remain- but of course, they never known anything else- so their opinion does not count'. Thanks Grandad

I have never told anyone to ‘get over’ anything Gill57

All I’m saying is let’s wait and see - and who knows - you may just be thankful in the fullness of time!
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ug and if we are not?

Not going to do much for our friendship with Europe if we don't pay the money. They will hate us.

All this should have been made clear to the general population before the referendum. It's all so daft.

I will come round and kiss your feet Whitewavemark2 and beg for your forgiveness.

Regarding withholding the £39 billion didn’t the Lords say we don’t legally have to pay it?

We will, I’m sure but Boris will ensure it’s tied to a better deal this time around.

The half built infrastructure? If I was depending on flood defences I wouldn’t be happy

UG, I honestly could weep at the nastiness, division and smugness expressed by yourself and some others. Genuinely it is beyond me, this pervasive attitude of " I'm alright Jack" It's desperately sad and I don't think many on either " side" had any idea things would pan out like this.

A tweet from Dr Rachel Clarke Oxford
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@BorisJohnson
bigs up No Deal Brexit, never forget what the £1.9 billion already spent could buy:

?380k hip replacements
?41k nurses
?41k paramedics
?35k doctors
?200 CT scanners
?1000 MRI scanners
?6 entire NHS hospitals

What a grotesque waste of taxpayers' money.

Well just imagine what £39 billion could pay for.