Why do Conservatives like Johnson?

Well, now the Tories have to think about the coming GE because that will almost certainly be the case once Johnson is let loose.

mxdecatt your incoherent hate filled rant is full of more holes than a fishing net. Every point can be countered with more accurate factual interpretations. Swipes at producers who happen to live in EU countries and those who campaign for the environment are totally ridiculous, inaccurate and there is no evidence to support your assertions. We in the U.K. have cupboards full of Italian tinned tomatoes, pasta, olive oil,( as just small examples) - terrible! Let’s all vote to go back to rationing! Great idea! Those poor countries will have to export somewhere else just so we can do without. All those U.K. tourists visiting Paris, Rome and Venice - they are now going to be holidaying in Scunthorpe, and no one else from any where else in the world visits them do they? As for environmental campaigners championing diesel fumes - where do that one come from ? Completely from your own twisted logic that because they support international cooperation they must therefore support the current mode of transportation. I think you’ll find the Green Party supports local production, cutting air miles, and reducing carbon emission in every way possible. I think you’ll find that if we are airlifting salad and chicken from the USA there will be far more emissions than a cross channel ferry.

Maxdecatt most of your very lengthy and difficult to read post - although I persevered - explains the very reasons why we should remain in the EU.

Shaking my head in utter disbelief, maxdecatt.

paddyann, these Leavers do not give a toss about the damage Brexit will do to people's lives.

Its very scary how many on here live in LALA land .....I have friends who own and run a trucking firm,Brexit will destroy what it has taken them all their working lives to build .Sadly there are many others in the same situation ..add the massive tariffs that WE'll be paying and I cant see any reason why anyone wants out of the EU .Deluded people .Or I'm all right jack types ?

Varian; You hit the nail on the head when you say it is Theresa Mays deal.. Precisely. A deal signed by the PM BEFORE parliament could say yes or no. They subsequently said NO three times! Why? Siml;y because they do not want to be tethered indefinitely to the EU, even after leaving. The EU sees that indefinite backstop as the lead around the UK's neck by which they can control the UK. Boris referred to "vassal state". He is right, that undefinite tethering to the EU makes us a vassal....havig to obey the EU diktat and unable to exit from the backstop without the EU agreeing. Why will they not accept the simple requirement that it has a time limit. Talk about the Irish border....we have already told them we will not impose a hard border....if they want to create a hard border it will be their decision that reduces Eire to a basket case economy. The Dutch PM Mr. Rutte is dead scared of a no deal as it will hit Holland very hard indeed...the same for France, Spain, Italy and the rest of them. Holland will have to eat a lot of tomatoes and find other uses for most of the flowers. The French will have to drink twice as much as they now do to dispose of all that wine. The Spanish will be neck-deep in citrus fruit...just a few examples. Yes, some UK businesses will suffer in the short term.....so then use the £39 billion to compensate them for lost business in the time it takes for the EU to see sense.. Get real folks, get some backbone. Let us not forget the BILLIONS EU countries earn from UK tourists every year. How many jobs in their hospitality industries will be lost. None of them want to shoot themselves in the foot. Tell them 31 October is their D day.
One further thought....why have the Greens (ardent remainers) not seen the benefit of having 5000++ trucks per day NOT belching exhaust fumes as they trundle through the English contryside back and forth from the ports? Now there is a thought for the Greens. A real and massive benefit of no deal...they had better support it if they are serious about cleaner air. Funny how the law of unforseen circumstances helps in the fight against climate change. So get behind Boris and demand No Deal. Take that thought further, less cross-channel ferries means less diesel fuel is used meaning more clean air. I can see the Green lot squirming right now. Come to think of it....the LibDems will also have to think about the cleaner air divident flowing from no deal. Ed Davey, eat your heart out. Once the Greens and LibDems have digested the benefits to climate change they should be stampeding to support Boris. Or will they? Of course not, they are no more interested in climate change reduction than the man in the moon..... or they would have picked up on the unintended benefit a long time ago.

the British always like eccentrics and Johnson comes across as an eccentric - which is a very good guise.

Sorry, Callistomen, but there is a world of difference between an eccentric and a lying, self seeking b*stard. Eccentrics may do or believe odd things, but they're not usually lacking in honesty and moral compass.

I forget which American comedian said "If you're rich you're eccentric; if you're poor, you're nuts."

No, we don't want an empire crystaltipps - but we have a Commonwealth now consisting of countries which want to belong to it and we are enhanced by it.

Getting back to the OP - the British always like eccentrics and Johnson comes across as an eccentric - which is a very good guise.

I don’t perceive of us having been a diminished country - apart from loosing an empire and we’re not going to get that back anytime soon thank goodness, and apart from the Brexit madness which certainly has diminished us.
The Brexit party isn’t a “brand new party” we know it’s UKIP rebranded with same leader, voters, message.

Dutch prime minister Mark Rutte has dismissed central Brexit promises from the remaining Tory leadership contenders, as he claimed the UK will be a "diminished" country after leaving the EU.

Ha ha ha. Priceless.

A supporter of the EU and minister of one of the countries within the EU tells the UK, that is about to get out of a corrupt and expensive institution, that it won't fare well.

Does he appreciate that by being IN the EU we have become a diminished country? (And that's why the majority of us want to get out, before the whole thing crumbles, as it will, along with its dodgy currency.)

This is why Boris is liked so much..he advances an argument rather than as you have done to simply try to attack an individuals perceived qualities

Haha - welcome to the Politics threads, Impatialandeducated.

It's a bear-pit and it's very sad that many posts are aggressive. More people would venture in if we could agree to disagree. Expect more of the same, unfortunately.

And thank you for saying we are seeing democracy in action, more than ever before, all over Europe and in the USA. People are sick of an elite telling them what is best for them, when it is obvious politicians are either out of touch or just not listening. The establishment is running scared, and rightly so..

A brand new party in the UK has had astounding success at the polls because it recognises that people are sick to death of being ignored, overlooked, and dismissed as knowing nothing.

Labour and the Conservatives, and the two party system we have are not what we want any longer. They are not serving the electorate. They are serving themselves. Socialism a la Jeremy Corbyn and and his band of hard left comrades is a non-starter and by defying Leave voters and arranging a dreadful deal with EU politicians, May has betrayed the UK.

Unless her successor delivers Brexit, I'd say the Tories will be decimated and wait a very long time before they are trusted to run the country again.

Sadly, we have Hobson's Choice at the moment. If BJ wins the vote he'll be at the helm, with Corbyn waiting for him to cock up. I don't have much faith in Johnson. His job, if he doesn't already know it, is to win over Leave voters because otherwise, come the next GE, the Conservatives will lose even more seats and the Brexit Party will win hands down.

That will be a protest by the people, and yes, that will be democracy in action. It's about time the people made some noise.

Good Spectator article linked above.

Johnson got his revenge

I wonder if the rest of the country are feeling appalled?

Boris? This situation is incomprehensible. How can this be happening? ?

Matthew Parris was hinting that there was more to be revealed about BJ a few nights ago on Newsnight. You could see him struggling to contain his dislike. It is interesting that it is not just what some on here would call 'lefties' who are uncomfortable with the idea of BJ as PM, Sir Max Hastings can hardly be described as such.

I completely agree with you Nanniejcl.

Former Tory MP Matthew Parris, writing in the right-wing Spectator magazine, despairs that so many Tories, people he previously thought to be resistant to the appeal of Boris Johnson, are now supporting him, presumably to advance their own careers. He writes-

"There’s no need for further evidence about this man. And the fact there’s no need is the reason for the most profound despair. The case is proved already, his allies privately concede it without demur, and more proof is redundant. Colleagues know he’s no good, know he’s a cold-eyed scoundrel. They require no persuading of his inappropriateness to lead a nation through difficult times. Reel off the list of his incapacities and they yawn because they agree, and their opinion of the man hasn’t changed in years. What has changed is their opinion of his future usefulness to their own careers. One always knew there existed such eels in our House of Commons; but what I never knew was that they amount to half the membership of the parliamentary Conservative party. More fool me — and I do mean that."

www.spectator.co.uk/2019/06/why-are-sensible-tories-backing-boris-johnson/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_content=220619_Weekly_Highlights_24_Fisher&utm_campaign=Weekly_Highlights

agreed varian, he was calm, succinct, straight to the point.

Mark Rutte, whose first language is not English, was able to explain the true situation far more clearly than any UK politician still trying to defend the indefensible.

I saw the Rutte interview. It was measured, and very scary. We must all hope that Boris either excels in a way he has never before achieved; or that he cocks up spectacularly pretty early on so we all get a say...

Dutch prime minister Mark Rutte has dismissed central Brexit promises from the remaining Tory leadership contenders, as he claimed the UK will be a "diminished" country after leaving the EU.

In a sobering interview for the four candidates vying for the Conservative crown, Mr Rutte rejected proposals such as a renegotiation of Theresa May's withdrawal agreement, and a time-limit to the contentious Irish backstop.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-leadership-race-mark-rutte-netherlands-boris-johnson-gove-javid-a8966751.html

Not just revenge.

If Gove doesn’t get enough votes to get into the final two this evening, Boris will be more than pleased as he knows the Conservative party members will, by a majority, want a Brexiteer.

Boris therefore would rather it was a choice for them between him and (closet Remainer) Hunt.

Clever.

Revenge is best served cold

www.theweek.co.uk/101848/revenge-in-the-air-as-boris-supporters-plot-against-gove