Listen to our friends

Unfortunately many of the Tory leavers will never see what they have done and certainly not admit it. I find it odd that the Remainers can give many reasons why we should stay but the Brexiteers do not seem to have any valid reason to leave except to retain our 'Sovereignty' whatever that means or to cut immigration which will mean losing our nurses, farm workers and many more.
Also what I cannot understand are that many of those having homes and second homes in Europe voted to leave the Union. What on earth were they thinking?
I lived in the Netherlands for 18 years and yes they are our friends as are the Northern Irish. Are we just going to hang them out to dry?

I wonder who'll come on here claiming @Project Fear.....

It just disgusts me that people of this country can turn their backs on " our friends " in Europe. If ever there was a vote of double-standards it was this one.
The same ones who voted Brexit would still go abroad for their holidays, buy their goods and generally help towards these economies etc.
I agree wholeheartedly with what you say,dragonfly.

We have had a second home in Malaga for 15 years.
I voted Brexit.
We will still be part of Europe.
Just not being ruled by the EU.
Big difference.
I can’t see the problem?

The northern Irish is part of our Kingdom?not just friends.

Unfortunately it is a common mistake that people make but we are not ruled by Europe. We make our own laws. Countries in Europe all have their own laws and they are all different - euthanasia in Holland for example.

We will not still be part of Europe and travelling to Europe could become as difficult as travelling to the States or Russia.

I'm in France at the moment. This trip is work. When I go to Eastern Europe it's a mixture of catching up with old friends and charity 'work'
Then there's the fun times ?
I love Europe: I just don't like Brussels.

Me too petra

And I thought post Brexit the EU want us to be on our knees to send a stern warning to member countries not to try to exit!

All is not harmonious in the EU., I don’t buy it.

Just now from Google:

How many EU laws are there in the UK?
There are currently about 12,000 EU regulations in operation in the UK.19 Oct 2018

Of course we will be part of Europe....it’s a continent for heavens sake!

And we are only a tiny island lemongrove.

Can anyone tell me why Trump favours Brexit ?

'We have had a second home in Malaga for 15 years.
I voted Brexit.
We will still be part of Europe.
Just not being ruled by the EU.
Big difference.
I can’t see the problem?'

we will be ruled by unelected Bureaucrats in Geneva, the WTO. We will be ruled by Trump and Putin, and China- and anyone we will have to beg for deals. Can't you see THAT ?!?

When you keep repeating the same rubbish- I am sorry, but I have to ask myself, if naïve, uninformed, blind ... or worse.

‘Beg for deals’. ?
Hyperbolic stuff & nonsense!
?

Trump was heavily influenced by Steve Bannon and Brietbart News who worked to communicate and propagate the campaign messages with the alt-Right movement. This extreme nationalistic movement is vehemently opposed to the EU, as is Vladimir Putin whose aim is to de-stabilise Europe. Bannon has announced plans to establish a foundation in Europe that he hopes will fuel the spread of rightwing populism across the continent. Hence Trump's support for brexit.

fullfact.org/europe/two-thirds-uk-law-made-eu/

Of course, the UK will have been instrumental in the framing of many of the regulations; they didn't just appear out of thin air, nor are they the invention of a little group of power crazed bureaucrats.

Also:

It may seem surprising that it should be so difficult to get a fix on the number of regulations that exist. This partly reflects the fact that not all of them are particularly important, and partly the flaws of the database
(from the above link)

It's ridiculous to get hysterical about the number of EU regulations we follow. They are mostly to do with products traded within the single market and if we want to trade with EU member states after Brexit we would still have to comply with them. The same as we would have to comply with regulations on products we would trade with the rest of the world. Trade agreements with other countries usually involve some loss of control (or 'sovereignty') over terms and conditions of trade.

UG you do seem to like to accuse others of hyperbole and yet what is the expression "rule by Europe" if not exactly that.

May I ask, are you expecting us to have trade agreements with the EU in the future?

Lemon and Ellan - a tiny island, never a geographical part of Europe (except maybe millions of years ago).
Even so I think we need Europe and they need us.

Things aren’t always what they seem on the surface. Looking at the area between mainland Europe and the eastern coast of Great Britain, you probably wouldn’t guess it had been anything other than a great expanse of ocean water. But roughly 12,000 years ago, as the last major ice age was reaching its end, the area was very different. Instead of the North Sea, the area was a series of gently sloping hills, marshland, heavily wooded valleys, and swampy lagoons: Doggerland.

www.nationalgeographic.org/maps/doggerland/