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Urmstongran Fri 21-Jun-19 10:21:17

The Conservatives have been plunged into controversy after a video showed a minister grab and manhandle a protester who disrupted the chancellor’s Mansion House speech.

I though Mark Field did the right thing. What a terrible security breach to have people just barging into places she could have had a weapon.

I would be asking security how she got in in the first place.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 21-Jun-19 17:25:05

Ilovecheese thank you for pointing out my error.

trisher Fri 21-Jun-19 17:27:27

What a lot of tosh is being posted. Had the woman been a terrorist with say a suicide vest under her red dress she could have detonated it way before MF got her to the door. In fact she would probably have done it at his first push. And anyway he KNEW she wasn't because the other climate protestors had already been removed.

CyclingKnitter Fri 21-Jun-19 17:28:10

gillybob have you looked at the longer footage? It is very clear that no one else in the room thought she was a threat. Only Field: everyone else looks pretty calm. I echo the comments of others: how would you feel if this was you or one of your daughters or granddaughters? And how does this square with his claim to be interested in helping women to "speak freely and be part of the change we want"?

Caledonai14 Fri 21-Jun-19 17:30:33

You are wrong about me too, Blue Belle.

JenniferEccles Fri 21-Jun-19 17:30:44

Ok, let's just suppose this woman did have malicious intent but because she was a woman, everyone just sat there and did nothing, then out came a knife and she stabbed someone.

Can you imagine the justified outcry of "WHY didn't anyone eject her immediately she got in?"

Mr. Field acted quickly, decisively, and correctly.

POGS Fri 21-Jun-19 17:33:57

I watched a video clearly showing several activists inside the building on their way to disrupt the Chancellors speech. The men wore dinner suits and the women wore red dresses, you then saw them entering the room in another shot.

The timing was exactly coordinated to coincide with the Chancellors speech and there is a thought the activists were aided by somebody inside the room/event.

There is clearly a sound of an alarm/alarms which I believe was a personal alarm/alarms being set off and deliberately thrown under a table/tables to cause a distraction.

On watching that video it seemed to me there was another coordinated manoeuvre undertaken by the activists whereby the loud noise of the alrm / alarms and the large grouping of activists in one area of the room was contrived to ensure all the attention was taken away from the female activist Mark Field stopped so close to the top table who had moved to a position hoping not to be noticed as all eyes were diverted from her to the others. Mark Field caught her last minute in his sight speedily moving to the top table.

He acted in on impulse and whether it was a female or male activist I don't think his reaction would have been any different and neither should it matter that it was a female as I hold no truck with the surmise that means the possibility of an attack of some description would be less violent if that had been the intention.

Field obviously did not know at the time what the females intention was. He saw somebody moving swiftly to a position where she could have done anything and he did the right thing by removing her from those around him who may have been in danger.

Saying this was a peaceful process is neither here nor there when there is clearly a move to get to the Chancellor in person by an activist.

Liz46 Fri 21-Jun-19 17:35:49

I have unsubscribed from Greenpeace emails because I do not agree with this type of behaviour.

POGS Fri 21-Jun-19 17:36:52

What the hell as Brexit got to do with it!

GrannyGravy13 Fri 21-Jun-19 17:38:45

POGS good post

trisher Fri 21-Jun-19 17:40:07

You can imagine whatever you like JenniferEccles it doesn't justify aggressive behaviour. And everyone knew who the protestors were because they had already been dealt with. Green Peace are non-violent peaceful protestors.
Mr Field was violent and abusive to a woman, he enjoyed doing it and he didn't stop even when there was the opportunity to do so.

Anniebach Fri 21-Jun-19 17:46:22

Good post POGS

trisher Fri 21-Jun-19 17:47:03

POGS the activists had already been removed when the woman arrived. The room had returned to quiet and order. You can plainly see that when he shoves the woman to the entrance the only people there are 2 women employees.

Anniebach Fri 21-Jun-19 17:47:27

Setting off alarms and throwing them under dinner tables is
peaceful ?

GrannyGravy13 Fri 21-Jun-19 17:48:34

This morning in Walthamstow market as a male trader was setting up his stall he had what is believed to be acid thrown over his head by two assailants dressed in burqhas.

The UK is a very unpredictable place to live in at the moment.

If she had been found to be carrying a dangerous substance or weapon Mark Field would be hailed as a hero today.

The protester has vowed to take down every Conservative MP one by one........nice lady?

Better to be safe than sorry.

jusnoneed Fri 21-Jun-19 17:52:28

Well said POGS.
Those idiots decided to go into that room, not giving a thought as to how anyone would react. In the times we live in now, terroism etc, it was a stupid thing to do.

quizqueen Fri 21-Jun-19 18:02:27

It wouldn't surprise me if the majority of these climate change protesters had gas guzzling cars, all the latest tech devices, a lot of children, fly around the world on more than one holiday a year, have nice centrally heated homes and eat loads of meat; they are mostly hypocrites, I feel.

trisher Fri 21-Jun-19 18:05:59

If you watch the footage when the mass protest happens you will see excellent examples of how to remove people without using force.

JenniferEccles Fri 21-Jun-19 18:06:24

Someone has asked how we would feel if it had been our daughter/granddaughter.

Well I for one would feel exactly the same, that the man acted correctly in manhandling her out of the room.

I probably would have said to my daughter "well what did you expect? You had no right to be in there, and in this day and age of heightened fear around terrorism, you were very foolish and got what you deserved"

As for saying that Greenpeace are a peaceful non-violent organisation, that is just plain silly.

What better cover for some nutter than to join an organisation with a peace-loving reputation ?

It's a bit like airport security waving 'Howard and Hilda from Tunbridge Wells 'through without carrying out normal checks.

When it comes to security, nobody should be taken at face value, should they?

Daisymae Fri 21-Jun-19 18:11:10

I felt that he responded in this way because she was a woman. If it had been someone of his own size he would have been found under the table.

POGS Fri 21-Jun-19 18:20:13

trisher

'POGS the activists had already been removed when the woman arrived.'
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No they had not been removed when she arrived.

' The room had returned to quiet and order'
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No it had not.

crystaltipps Fri 21-Jun-19 18:24:50

She had a close fitting gown it was obvious there was no suicide vest. She was wearing stilettos, she said loudly this is a peaceful protest, she had a climate change sash on, he acted impulsively and with far more force than was necessary. All those who were up in arms at the milkshake throwing and Jo Brands recent comment are now supporting unpleasant thuggery.

Jabberwok Fri 21-Jun-19 18:26:36

I don't think so Daisymae! As people have said, had she been carrying a container of a dangerous substance,Mark Field would have been hailed as a hero! I too wonder how the protesters got to this venue - bicycle?!

WadesNan Fri 21-Jun-19 18:31:09

I note no-one condemning his actions have answered my query as to whether their posts would be the same if it had been a Brexit supporter who gate crashed a Union event.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 21-Jun-19 18:34:43

What a relief that none of you who consider Fields action appropriate are responsible for making any decisions over this case.

To not to be able to recognise a man whose anger is both explosive and clearly out of control is worrying.

Undoubtedly security was non-existent, and we should be extremely concerned. Fields was right to prevent the lady from disrupting the speech, but should have done so in a more measured and appropriate way.

I feel sorry for his wife and children given his explosive behaviour.

WadesNan Fri 21-Jun-19 18:58:25

His face was not "twisted in anger" - his lips were set in determination. He does not appear to be "out of control". Are you now seriously suggesting that he abuses his wife and children!!